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Is it 'hear hear' or 'here here'?

183 replies

halfwitpicker · 30/01/2019 14:51

Anyone know?

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TwitterQueen1 · 30/01/2019 22:17

social leopard
Feeble position

OMG - I haven't even got to the end yet. Grin Grin

3out · 30/01/2019 22:29

Hands up, I genuinely thought it was card shark.

titchy · 30/01/2019 22:30

Uncharted territory.... no it's not!

titchy · 30/01/2019 22:30

Actually it is Blush But it's not unchartered...!

pictish · 30/01/2019 22:31

Glad to know it’s ‘hear hear’ - I’ve always wondered about that.

Only one person has mentioned my personal bugbear so far.
Would of, could of, should of.
It’s could’ve, would’ve, should’ve...a contraction of HAVE. It makes sense you see? The use of ‘of’ renders the sentence meaningless!

As you were.

InvisableMe · 30/01/2019 22:36

@Melon6412 - you made laugh after a long hard day - thank you ;)

Laquila · 30/01/2019 22:39

Dapplegrey thank you!! I’ve always low-key wondered about that - I understand french and ménage has therefore made no sense to me for years, but it was just one of those things that I never properly questioned! (I.e., googled....)

Pirateweasel YES, a thousand times YES.

AdaColeman · 30/01/2019 22:42

Grin I'm liking Devil's Advocaat, I've had some pretty evil advocaat in my time! Wine

Stardustinmyeyes · 30/01/2019 22:42

Going against the grain.
Used by many posters when they disagree with most of the previous posters.

Is it 'hear hear' or 'here here'?
steppemum · 30/01/2019 22:43

what is a card shark then?

i have never heard of that!

(think, I'll just have a little think about why no-one seems to understand it is think)

Itsallpointless · 30/01/2019 22:52

EastEnder here, definitely another ‘think’. Cockneys often don’t pronounce the end of a word, so think would sound like thing, the ‘k’ is silentConfused

Itsallpointless · 30/01/2019 22:53

Most probably ‘fink’ tooWink

SinceYouAskMe · 30/01/2019 23:00

Should be “card sharp” steppemum. A person who makes their living through questionably fair card games. But the derivation is so iffy that shark is forgivable.

steppemum · 30/01/2019 23:01

card sharp Shock
well, I have heard of card shark, and assumed they were called shark as they were predatory on others to win money.

I think card sharp is a bit boring by comparison!

MissLadyM · 30/01/2019 23:14

Hear hare here 😂

AviatorShades · 30/01/2019 23:33

pictish, I take a bowWink

WTFIsAGleepglorp · 30/01/2019 23:43

Done and dusted.

It's done; finished with. Not down.

3out · 31/01/2019 07:53

Laquila, are you sure you wondered, because an awful lot of people seem to wander instead of wonder these days ;)

titchy · 31/01/2019 07:56

Shoe-in ca shoo-in

Johnnycomelately1 · 31/01/2019 08:08

Drama Llama or Drama Lama?

I believe it's technically the first, but somehow the second is more logical because it's like saying "a high priest of drama"

Laquila · 31/01/2019 08:15

3out I try to strike a sensible balance between the two 😂

MeetJoeTurquoise · 31/01/2019 08:33

Oh gosh some of these are wonderful.

I always see Chester draws on selling sites, I have to resist the temptation to correct them.

JaneJeffer · 31/01/2019 08:38
It's thing!
BoreOfWhabylon · 31/01/2019 08:57

Bias as an adjective is becoming common and gives me the rage

The interviewer was biased in favour of one candidate.

The interviewer showed bias in favour of one candidate.

NOT The interviewer was bias in favour of one candidate. That is WRONG!

Azelma · 31/01/2019 09:37

www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/usage-another-think-coming-or-another-thing-coming

Having a Think About "Another Think/Thing Coming"
'Thing' wins the popularity contest.

You may have noticed that some people say "you have/got another think coming" while others say "you have/got another thing coming." Both expressions are used to tell a person that they're wrong and should consider changing their mind.

If he thinks I'm going to sit around crying over him, he's got another thing coming. I can live without him, I can do without him just fine—but I don't like to lose.
— Paula Hawkins, The Girl on the Train, 2015

If anyone thinks any part of St. John's victory over Iona in the Holiday Festival ... was forgettable, the losing coach would like to tell them they have another thing coming. Said Tim Cluess, "Our guys are going to have these memories of playing in this for the rest of their lives."
— Mark Herrmann, Newsday (New York), 18 Dec. 2017

The neighborhood thought when Mr. Radley went under Boo would come out, but it had another think coming: Boo's elder brother returned from Pensacola and took Mr. Radley's place.
— Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird, 1960

If you think the musical version of "Peter Pan" is only for kids, you've got another think coming. It's for everyone who believes in magic—even a little bit—because the Palo Alto Players production … is truly magical for anyone between 3 and 93.
— Joanne Engelhardt, The Chico (California) Enterprise-Record, 10 Nov. 2017

Those who use think think those who use thing have another think coming if they think they're right in using thing—and vice versa. Here's where we might lose some of you: we don't think there is any reason for reproving the other's usage. Yes, thing is meaningless here, leaving the "think" users to wonder what exactly will be coming, but think also leaves the "thing" users who are unfamiliar with the noun (which actually dates to the early 19th century and refers to an act of thinking) wondering if the statement is grammatical.

We have to say that those who question the noun think are probably American English speakers, since it is frequently used in British English.

Take the first week of the Christmas holidays to have a think. If the prospect of returning to university in January is still unattractive or fills you with dread, then maybe it's time to take stock.
— Sir Anthony Seldon, quoted in The Telegraph, 17 Nov. 2016

The noun did eventually float into American English, and in the mid-19th century, it became grounded in the expression "another think coming."

"By Jove, Ned!" he exclaimed. "I believe I have it." "Have what—a fit of seasickness?" "No, but these empty seats—the persons we saw you know—they belong there and they're afraid to come out and be seen." "Why should they be—if they're not the Fogers. I guess you've got another think coming." "Well, I'm sure there's something mysterious about those two—the way they hid their faces as they came on board—not appearing at supper—I'm going to keep my eyes open."
— Jane G. Austin, Outpost, 1867

"Another thing coming" dates later, which suggests that thing is an eggcorn of think. It probably originated in speech with the misapprehension of the "k" in think as being the "c" in coming, which leaves something that sounds suspiciously like "thing coming."

Semantically, the noun think is more fitting than thing: you think something and express your thought; then someone thinks you are wrong in your thinking and suggests you think about it again. (Notice the symmetry that think brings.) But the fact is the word thing is much more familiar, and it is trending with millennials (and U.S. presidents) who use the expression. If that trend continues, "another think coming" could well become an archaism. But this shouldn't come as a surprise: in the 1980s, the British metal band Judas Priest gave thing a major boost when they penned the lyrics to their hit "You've Got Another Thing Comin'." But of course they're no strangers to breaking the law.

In summary: Another think coming is the older of the two, dating in use to the mid-19th century, and originated in British English. Another thing coming appears to have come about in American English several decades later, probably as a result of confusion regarding the original phrase. Another thing is the more recent turn of phrase and now is more common, though it is frequently criticized.