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14 YO DS and the person he's becoming...

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SimplyVibrations · 26/12/2018 09:04

Morning all. I am a regular but have NC because this could be outing.

I have been concerned about my 14 YO DS for a while and I am not sure what's part of being a teenager and growing up, and what is actually part of his personality.

DS has always been pretty much a dream child in that he has never given us any trouble, he's always been kind to everybody, he's been lovely to his younger sister, always top of the class academically and a very gifted musician. The worries we've always had with him, ever since he was a young child, is his lack of friends. He seems liked enough within his school cohort, but as soon as school is over, no one has ever asked to meet with him. He has appeared to be bothered by this at certain times in his life; I have always initiated all the socialising with him.

He's 14 now, in year 10 and doing exceptionally well academically, but that's about it. Despite his father and I encouraging him to try other things, it's all become a huge effort. For example, he will ask a friend round, but he'll seem happy enough to be invited or for me to make all the arrangements. I always thought that he might lack confidence so was happy to do it for him, but now I am beginning to think he just can't be bothered with people. All he does is 'show up', but will not make an effort to make things happen, won't show an interest in others, sometimes it seems he just wants to get back to his computer.

He will happily spend all his time in his room by himself, headphones on, on his phone or computer, not interacting with anyone, including his family. I now again, this is probably not that unusual.

A couple of years ago we became quite concerned about his lack of social life so we enrolled him at a prestigious (and expensive) Saturday music school hoping that he would be able to play in bands, orchestras, etc and have a social life through music. This hasn't happened. He seems quite passive about the whole thing. He is, according to him, very happy to attend Saturday music school and he says he loves it, but he never tells us anything about it, he doesn't do any music practice between lessons (completely unacceptable, we're talking grade 8 in one instruments and 5 in another 2), and again, seems happy to just 'show up' but without further input or effort from him.

It appears that there's an older girl at the music school that he seems to like. We are pleased he's made a friend but she is 16 years old, and we've come to realise that she's probably the only incentive for him to continue going to Saturday music school. They don't play music together, they just meet at the canteen. I have started to think that we are flogging a dead horse here. DS will simply not practice between lessons, we're paying a fortune for his music lessons but he's not fulfilling his part of the bargain, which from our point of view is to practice and get involved in things happening outside lessons. He seems to just go through the motions and again, simply 'shows up' but doesn't invest in any other way.

DS doesn't exercise at all, doesn't try to join in any extra curricular activities at his school, this is including music which would be so easy for him. He has no get up an go, no oomph, no initiative. Money is not an incentive, he pretty much has everything he wants;

We've come to the conclusion that we need to give notice at Saturday music school as it's too much money to pay just for lessons, if he's not going to get involved in everything else. DS will be mighty pissed off about this, but I feel it's because he won't get to see this other girl, and nothing to do with the music.

I find it hurtful that DS is happy to have his father and I making sacrifices for him in terms of the cost of the school but also getting up really early on Saturdays to take him to the train station, picking him up, making his lunches... He just doesn't care.

We have given him many many ultimatums, as in, 'DS, if you don't pick up your instruments between lessons we'll stop paying for your instruments, music school, transport, etc;. He then assures us that he's going to do it, we come up with a plan, a chart, a list with tick boxes, you name it, but he won't follow through, ever. This has been going on for nearly two years.

I feel the constant nagging of my son to practice has damaged my relationship with him. I would continue 'supporting' this if I felt he was getting something out of it, emotionally, socially, etc, but it appears he just wants to see this girl. If we stop Saturday music school DS will literally have nothing in his life beyond school, and even at school he's not involved in anything beyond lessons.

I would really appreciate thoughts from you lot as I honestly don't know what to do for the best. Thank you if you have read this long rambling mess.

OP posts:
Villanellesproudmum · 26/12/2018 09:56

He sounds normal, I only had two friends growing up and now I’m in my 40s I’m the same, hate social events, o got called antisocial at the works Christmas party, and for not wanting to be in endless selfies. Some people are just not social butterflies and more of an observer.

Biologifemini · 26/12/2018 09:56

I really think that the British have an over emphasis on some very artificial friendships. Of course kids should have friends but there is no need to force anything. He sounds normal and I’d leave him at the music school and not expect him to be grateful.

BatCakes · 26/12/2018 09:59

Good god woman - leave the poor boy alone!

Yes encourage him to participate fully in all he does but just step back here. Unless he's being rude, disrespectful to you or failing in school then you need to back right off

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Spagyetti · 26/12/2018 09:59

Agree with others - he sounds completely normal to me. Try reading some books on the teen brain.

DaedricLordSlayer · 26/12/2018 10:00

He's happy, he's not getting into trouble or causing trouble for anyone. Most teens don't appreciate sacrifices, it's ok to point those sacrifices out to them but not in an emotional black mail kind of way. When they are older they'll appreciate what you did for them. ( speaking as a previously self centered teen who couldn't see past the end of their nose)

I'll repeat, He is happy, and he has made a friend, which is what you wanted. let find his own feet in social connections now. You have facilitated him in finding him friends, now just let him get on with it. I'd still pay for the lessons because they are doing exactly what you wanted them to. (just not on the scale you perceived for him)

movinggoalposts · 26/12/2018 10:14

This may sound really arsy so sorry if it does....he is happy, he is healthy, he’s not nicking stuff, doing drugs, getting pissed, knocking girls up, self harming, threatening suicide or bullying people.

He is content. Please let that be enough.

somewhereovertherain · 26/12/2018 10:21

You sound like a fucking nightmare. At that age I’d back the fuck off and let him grow.

Spagyetti · 26/12/2018 10:22

course) that he doesn't appreciate that there's an effort involved in achieving something - Jesus, OP. He's top of the class and grade 8 and 5 in his instruments and you consider that not achieving anything!

Deathraystare · 26/12/2018 10:22

The situation might not please you, but really count your blessings he isn't in a bad crowd. Imagine how you would feel, him hanging around and out all hours getting into mischief. Just let him be himself.

My brother wasn't one for a lot of friends. He was considered 'different' at school because he spoke well, did not come from a council estate and loved music, not football. However, he made some friends at Uni and is married to one of his former friends and has two teenagers himself.

I used to tease him for his clothing which was always a white (or at a pinch blue) shirt, tie and trousers. The first time I saw him in jeans I nearly fainted!!

FuckingYuleLog · 26/12/2018 10:35

Stop nagging him about practising music if it’s damaging your r’ship. If you’ve been telling him for 2 years you’re going to stop paying if he doesn’t practice and he hasn’t been practicing all that time he knows he doesn’t need to. Either cancel or don’t. Presumably he could still see his friend at other times.

Veterinari · 26/12/2018 10:42

I think you need to start implementing some consequences rather than just empty threats. It’s not about his sociability or lack of it. It’s about his work ethic and at the moment he has none.

He’s 14 - why are you still making his packed lunch? Do you also do his laundry? Tidy his room etc?
What chores does he do? How does he earn his pocket money?

I know several young men who, in their late thirties are STILL struggling with sticking at work and finding fulfilling relationships - they’re peter-pan drifters with a comfortable private income or extensive parental support and usually very unfulfilled

donajimena · 26/12/2018 10:50

My son is so similar. I have accepted that he is happy with his lot. He has friends in school but like yours when the term ends he's in his room with his computer.
I struggled with this as I wished he'd show a bit more interest in the world around him but he really is happy and after years of him showing challenging behaviour its all calm.
On the plus side I don't worry what he's up to. I know exactly where he is at all times.

RedSkyLastNight · 26/12/2018 11:00

I have a 14 year old DS. He does have friends, but he never organises to do anything with them - fortunately there is a boy in his group who does, or he would never see his friends outside of school.
Is he a gamer? My DS has quite a vibrant online social life (and I disagree about moving electronics into a public space making him more sociable, he'll still sit there with headphones on not talking).

I agree with others that he seems normal, and that you ought to take a step back and let him take more responsibility for himself. He does not need to you invite friends over at 14 (actually having friend over at 14 isn't really a thing - at least not here).

junebirthdaygirl · 26/12/2018 11:06

I have 2 ds. I think 14 is a difficult age for friends as they are moving from parents organising stuff to being totally independent. One of mine seemed to have no friends at that stage. Like yours he was no bother. He also put little effort into school work, although had tons of ability. Roll on to 16 he took off. Found his gang in school. Lovely lads. He is now at college and nearly has too many friends!! He is very loyal and has kept the same friends over the years, still in touch with school friends when he gets home.
He didn't have any stuff like tv/ xbox etc in his bedroom,though, so all that was done in the family space saving him from cutting off completely.
Never give your guy the idea you feel there is anything wrong. Keep chatting to him in a positive way. Maybe find films, series ye can watch together so he has that connection.
And keep the music going. Stop expecting gratefulness. That will come much later. He is probably a bit more mature than lads his age so a 16 year old is about riight. Just pull back a little. Let him know you are there for him. Monitor screen times and let him off otherwise.

Weezol · 26/12/2018 11:06

Firstly - everything that Colditz said.

Secondly - However, I feel that he needs to acknowledge the sacrifices others are making on his behalf and put some effort into it himself.

He's 14. He's nowhere near emotionally and intellectually capable of that level of thought. He also sounds like a classic introvert, as I am.

He's got a fairly busy schedule - take a step back and give the kid a break.

Maybe read this book www.waterstones.com/book/quiet/susan-cain/9780141029191

knittedmouse · 26/12/2018 12:19

The title of your thread makes it sound as though your son is involved in drugs, criminal behaviour and hurting defenceless creatures.

Perhaps he's an introvert. People class introverts as dysfunctional. Poor kid. His friend sounds fine. You need to get a grip.

onceandneveragain · 26/12/2018 12:21

op -I was very similar at 14. Had lots of people I got on with at school but in the evenings and weekends just wanted to be left alone to read/go on the internet and relax. To me schoolfriends were like work colleagues - we got on well enough but didn't share the same interests and after 5 days a week with them I needed a break!

As a pp said - for me it changed a lot in 6th form when you could do more activities and met more people, and I started socialising a lot more, then in university I lived with friends and was out all the time!

I mention it because, although I was perfectly happy on my own at 14, my parents constant worrying and nagging 'Why don't you call x' 'are you doing anything this weekend?' started to build up and it was this that made me unhappy and started to worry I wasn't 'normal' - so I actually became much more miserable. Its taken years to gain that confidence in myself back, to the extent I still don't have the closest relationship with my parents because I'm always worried I don't live up to their expectations - when really I'm a perfectly well adjusted, normal person, just one that has different interests than theirs.

Seriously your son sounds amazing. So few people are happy in their own company - you should encourage him to be happy with who he is, and increased socialisation will probably occur naturally. If you want, you could try asking him if there is anything else he'd like to try now he's a bit older, so, dependent on his interests, could be going to a climbing club, or a comic con convention/magic the gathering group/ice hockey/gigs/ whatever, but if there isn't LEAVE HIM ALONE!

MorningsEleven · 26/12/2018 12:26

He sounds like a lovely boy. I'll swap him for my tweenager if you like 😄

SimplyVibrations · 26/12/2018 13:29

onceandneveragain that such a helpful post, thank you.

On the whole I am glad I have posted about this and have found the majority of replies very helpful and have given me a lot of food for thought.

There's a couple of replies however that I have found unnecessarily aggressive and insulting actually.

I am just navigating these years myself, acknowledging that I am struggling and not certain of everything. For what it's worth, my DH and I are painfully shy and both very much introverts. Whilst now I am nearly 50 years old I have found an almost comfortable place to be in life, the truth of the matter is that we have both suffered enormously in our teen years.

I adore my DS more than life itself and it's precisely for that reason that I want him to grow up to be loved by others. When my DH and myself are no longer around, there'll be no one else, his sister, that's it.

Yes he is wonderful in so many ways and doesn't take drugs or play truant, but that doesn't mean that my expectation should be that that's good enough, when I know there's untapped potential there, because talent alone is not enough. And as a PP said, I am also thinking about his work ethic.

Keep your comments coming please, I accept I need to get a grip and project less, but I am only worried about him, not trying to control him.

OP posts:
Veterinari · 26/12/2018 13:39

Perhaps just try and support him in becoming more self sufficient and independent to develop his work ethic?
I’m not sure how much you do for him now but I think it’s always helpful for DC to contribute to the running of the household - laundry, dishwasher, cooking etc. Give him expected tasks and ensure he understands the value of contributing. Could game access be contingent upon a minimal amount of music practice? It’s more about ensuring that he has the skills to stick with tasks and responsibilities.

SleepingStandingUp · 26/12/2018 13:55

Is he making progress at Saturday club, musocay speaking? Is he actually progressing or just sitting in class doing nothing waiting for the lunch break?
Some people, knowing how very bright / talented they are, will always skate by on minimum effort. It might change at sixth form if he does something other than music, or if he goes off to Uni etc.

I wouldn't worry about the friendship with the 16 yo. Hes a14 yo boy, a crush on a girl is hardly unexpected and as thry aren't meeting up outside of club it seems very safe anyway. Just let him work it out himself and be there if he needs you.

Does he do chores around the house? Does he earn any of his pocket money or is it just he ask, he get? What about his sister? If he doesn't have to try for anything - achievement or material or course he's going to assume the world is right to sacrifice itself at his feet, especially at 14!

If he's gaming does he have online friends that he talks to?

Ultimately you can only encourage so much, then you need to let him be. He's had chances to make friends, he's happy as he is. Unless his happiness changes, that's all you can ask of him

BadMoodBoard · 26/12/2018 14:47

OP I also have a 14 year old and some similar concerns. Like you, I was a really shy teenager and was never encouraged to try anything or persevere with anything at all. I know it's a cliche to blame your parents for everything, but I do honestly wish they had instilled a stronger work ethic in me and challenged me to try stuff. I will be checking this thread as I am also curious to learn how others achieve that balance between allowing their kids to grow and develop at their own pace whilst encouraging them to be ambitious, persevere and challenge themselves.

CurlyhairedAssassin · 26/12/2018 14:56

I have a 15 and 13 year old. Both boys. Sounds absolutely normal to me, OP. I am a bit of an introvert myself these daysand remember being the same at age 14. Was much more sociable from the ages of 17-25.

I also lost an interest in playing my instrument in terms of lessons (but was happy to play for my own enjoyment). Please don’t be disappointed in him. He sounds perfectly nice. Give him a big hug (if he’ll let you!) and enjoy Christmas with him!

CurlyhairedAssassin · 26/12/2018 15:04

Oh I forgot to say that I am against PCs and games consoles in bedrooms. I insist that it is in a family room. I know someone who grew up with a games console in his bedroom, a big gamer. He has just gone to uni and has basically just carried on the same as he did at home. Took his console to uni and barely leaves his room except to go to lectures.

I do think too much gaming is damaging. They’re not learning to socialise and can get stuck in bad antisocial habits. I can see how some parents would worry that their kid woukd end up a lonely person when all their friends have coupled up in their 20s and 30s.

We never had this issue when we were growing up and the natural pull to try and find a boyfriend/girlfriend made natural introverts become more sociable. I sometimes wonder how we’re Going to get this generation off screens to actually reproduce! 😂

W0rriedMum · 26/12/2018 15:18

It sounds like he has been the helicopter kid for so long that he's pretty apathetic about things. You (plural) organise music classes, you take him to the train, pack sandwiches, even plan friends coming over?! It is just too much.
Let him be who he wants to be, but he must work out who that is. Would he go to music if it wasn't handed to him on a plate? Would he cycle to see friends if there was no lift?
I would give him chores, send him out to the shops on an errand to buy his own tea etc.
I can tell you adore him, but maybe he needs less babying at this age.