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Can my elderly neighbour get any help with her schizophrenic son?

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Ilmb · 24/11/2018 11:55

My neighbour is 90. Her husband died last Christmas. No local family. She has other children 3 hours away who drive down every now and then but don’t do anything to help her (other than take her food shopping). I go round regularly to check on her and offer help but she rarely lets me help her. Only when she’s been ill does she call me to get some bread and milk etc. I went round today as it’s wet and she goes to the local shop (about a 2 minute walk) from our homes. She goes the same time each Saturday and it takes her an hour, she’s that immobile she uses a walker. So I went round just now to offer to go for her and she refuses. She said ‘I have my hat I’ll be ok’. She also told me (as she does each time) it’s the only time she leaves the house so only time apart from her son. She said he was still in bed and has always half joked that he’s her son and it’s fine but today said she was struggling with him and his moods. Someone comes every 6 weeks or so and takes him for a short walk around the block. I asked when they come next and it’s in 2 weeks. That’s all the ‘help’ she gets? She has a frailty nurse (?) she called it, said she called her and said she would come in December but she hadn’t been since August..... she also said that the walk is the only break from her son she gets and how she could do with a weeks break from him. She wAs half joking but she’s never said anything like this and I’m worried.

I know he has medication and can be polite etc but other times he wonders on my front garden and has banged very loudly on my window for no reason. I was woken up the other night about 1am with some very loud bangs. She’s very stubborn as a lot of the eldery are, and won’t accept my help. Is there a way to find out if there’s any help for her? Her family won’t entertain a conversation and says she’s fine but they only come once a month at the most? They are also about 70 themselves.

I’m not a busybody but since her husband has died I’m really worried about her. Sad

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Hadalifeonce · 24/11/2018 12:04

You do sound like a wonderful neighbour. Adult social services may be able to help, but they need to request it. You could call them yourself to find out if help is available, and possibly pass on the information to your neighbour.

It is very difficult though, my mother (88) lives with my SEN brother, they seem to have this mutually destructive lifestyle, but won't accept any help. My sister and I arranged for a carer for my mum to help her get washed & dressed, she seemed grateful, but started getting up at 6:00 to avoid the carer, preferring for my brother to help her.

Would she be able to pop into your house for a cuppa occasionally to get her out of the house? I completely understand if you don't want this to happen.

empmalswa · 24/11/2018 12:05

Sadly people are often living like this through their own choice. There is help available but if you don't ask, sometimes really push, then you don't get it. I think the best you can do is make sure she knows where to ask.

Ilmb · 24/11/2018 12:10

I don’t want her to feel Iv gone behind her back and trigger someone contacting her? Can you make a call just to check if there’s anything? I offer her to come over (our houses are attached) but she says she’s fine? I can’t spend hours round there as I’m a LP with kids plus one with SEN. I’m petrified this will be me and my son later in life.

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Ilmb · 24/11/2018 12:11

Oh and she also hasn’t had her flu jab either she told me. Just said she’s ‘on the list’ at the doctors but they’ve had all their clinics.

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abacucat · 24/11/2018 12:13

Don't judge the adult children. An elderly relative of mine refused any help when he needed it. The place desperately needed cleaning and tidying, but he refused to let us do anything except take him food shopping. If people refuse all help, there is not much you can do.

Hadalifeonce · 24/11/2018 12:15

Maybe you could ask her if she would like you to find some information on her behalf.

My mother had to wait quite a long time for her flu jab, as they are using different vaccines for under 65s and over 65s. She was on a list for ages for someone to come to the house, I managed to request her when I took her to see the diabetic nurse.

abacucat · 24/11/2018 12:16

There is a shortage of flu jabs for over 65s. Many people can not get it even if they want it.

Hadalifeonce · 24/11/2018 12:20

I don't think you will be like this OP. The generation of your neighbour and my mother are very different to the current generation. They started their lives with no help, you just got on with it, and hand outs were seen as something to be ashamed of.
We tried to convince my mum to get my brother into assisted living (which would help them both) but she just said, he's my son, he's my responsibility.

Ilmb · 24/11/2018 12:22

We didn’t have a shortage, they had the clinics as I had to take the dc.... I stupidly presumed her children would’ve sorted it for her? She said she could get it as Tesco but that you had to book it and that didn’t work for her children? I offered to take her to the big tesco but she said don’t worry as she was on the list but I didn’t think they would come out and do it for her? Or am I wrong?

The other children come, but they don’t take the brother out to give her a break, not even for half an hour? No I know it’s none of my business what goes on in the family but she needs help but says they are too busy to help her. She knows I’m on my own with dc and one with Sen so says she doesn’t like to trouble me even though Iv said I’ll help where I can.

My main concern is how the son who lives with her is. I hear him shout and bang around... she’s so frail .. he scares me and I’m able to stand up for myself! Where do I get a number for adult services? The council?

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Ilmb · 24/11/2018 12:23

had true. My son is autistic and also has mental health problems. I have no help or support but that’s ok, I just get on with it but I have no savings, no pension, will never own my own home so I’m petrified of getting old as to how I will help him. I don’t think he will be independent.

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abacucat · 24/11/2018 12:25

There is nor a shortage for the flu jab for under 65s, but for over 65s - a different one is used. So your children will have found it easy to get.
Maybe her adult children have tried to organise it and she has refused to let them?
You can report her to social services safeguarding as a vulnerable adult. They will come out assess her, and offer any help she is entitled to.

VanellopeVonSchweetz99 · 24/11/2018 12:28

You sound lovely. I was concerned for an elderly neighbour a few years ago, I contacted the council and she got quite a bit of help with home visits, health checks and housework! I went through the local council web site, there was a phone number and they obviously took it seriously.

From their web site:
"If you're worried about a relative or elderly neighbour, contact your local council or ring the Age UK helpline on 0800 169 2081. Lines are open between 8am and 7pm."

Ilmb · 24/11/2018 12:29

Actually the kids one was a massive shortage here. Clinic got delayed quite a few times. I had mine done, is that not the same for the elderly?

Iv not had any dealings with social services before, if I call will they just let me know what/if available without going to assess her first?

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HollowTalk · 24/11/2018 12:30

The thing is that if she doesn't get help now, when she dies her son is going to suffer terribly. She's being very shortsighted about that. It would be better if he was in some kind of residential care now where she could visit him regularly. I guess she'd be lonely without him if he's OK a lot of the time, but she really has to think about what will happen in the not too distant future.

How old is your son, OP?

VanellopeVonSchweetz99 · 24/11/2018 12:30

The jab for the elderly protects from more strains of flu than the one for the rest of us. Ask me, I had it and still got flu ...

Ilmb · 24/11/2018 12:33

Didn’t realise the elderly had a different jab, thought it was one for kids one for adults.

My dc is 13. I know I know that’s ages way but i do worry.

Do you have to pay for residential type homes I take it? I don’t think she has a lot of money, other than thre home. She won’t sell, after her husband died we had a conversation wether she would move closer to her other children but she said no as she had been in her home since I think about 1960 when it was made.

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abacucat · 24/11/2018 12:37

Up until this year everyone got the same flu jab. It is only this year over 65s have got a different one.
It is very difficult if someone refuses help, as usually services are quite happy to accept this.
But every local authority will have a service like the one in the link. Contact them.
www.somerset.gov.uk/adult-social-care/safeguarding/report-an-adult-at-risk/

Caprisunorange · 24/11/2018 12:37

I wouldn’t give her flu jab a second thought- she doesn’t leave the house, she’s incredibly unlikely to catch it!

In terms of her care and her son, you sound like a lovely neighbour but I’m not sure what you can do other than sign post her to SS- maybe ask if you want her to call the organisation who supply the nurse to complain she hasn’t been for 4 months?

abacucat · 24/11/2018 12:38

The DS is an adult, his income will be assessed for residential homes, not hers - I think.

abacucat · 24/11/2018 12:40

If you do contact them to report a vulnerable adult, tell her you are going to do this before you ring them.
In terms of help for her son, it might be worth gently talking to her about the future for her son and it would be worth getting him used to going to a day centre (if they exist). Although where I live they have closed them down.

Silkie2 · 24/11/2018 12:47

Good job she is going to live for ever so the son can happily stay there and not be forced into some, although considered suitable, totally different environment, which might totally distress him, if she was to die, but seems everyone is acting as if that is not going to happen.
Sad really.

abacucat · 24/11/2018 12:50

It is sad. But be aware there might not be any support she could actually access except full time residential care.

MadMum101 · 24/11/2018 12:51

No the mother will not be liable to pay for her adult son's care.

True what a PP said about her setting her son up for a fall. I have an SN son and I see it as my duty to ensure that he has an established support system with sheltered accommodation when he reaches adulthood. She may not be aware of the services available as they may not have existed when she was younger.

I would definitely call the helpline for vulnerable adults for her and her son despite what she says.

Ilmb · 24/11/2018 12:58

Ok thanks I’ll call them and ask if there is anything and then speak to her if there is before auctioning anything. I don’t want to jeopardise the odd little relationship between her and myself.

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Becca19962014 · 24/11/2018 13:11

I just want to say it's not always as simple as people think it is.

My last hospital admission they rang social services and were told I rejected all help and support and as I was mentally fit that was my choice.

What they neglected to say was the help and support they could provide required me to be able to hand over money I'd been assessed by the finance department as needing to pay towards services when I don't have that money available as I use it for medical needs which I was told to do by consultants and housing (our council finance dept count dla/PIP as available to pay rent so no discretionary payments are allowed if you have dla/PIP). So help wasn't put in place.

Yes I've complained, I even got a solicitor but the council decided I could hand over all my dla/pip care and I simply cannot afford to do that. When I get put on UC it'll be even worse.

I always wondered when I heard about people not wanting help what that meant and now I know.

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