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If you go to church/mosque/gurdwara....

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Magair · 10/11/2018 14:34

Or any other place of worship, does the service include a prayer for the Royal Family?

Just back from syngagogue and every time we say a prayer for the RF I think how sweetly old fashioned it is. And how lovely in a way to include it when the RF are the heads of another religion, and also how it shows a reflection of when Jews came here.... how they wanted to respect the country they were in.

Just wondering whether other religions do this?

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BathTangle · 10/11/2018 20:04

It's in the Church of England Book of Common Prayer (1662 or 1928) and is optional in the Common Worship order of service which we have used for the last decade or so.

megletthesecond · 10/11/2018 20:04

Occasional CofE goer here. I don't think we do.

6onTheHappyFarm · 10/11/2018 20:06

We pray for various world political leaders, that they would have wisdom and carry out God's will. I can't really think of a time that we've prayed for the RF though.

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Caprisunorange · 10/11/2018 20:08

“ And how lovely in a way to include it when the RF are the heads of another religion, and also how it shows a reflection of when Jews came here.... how they wanted to respect the country they were in”

This made me tear up a bit, especially considering the reason lots of Jews came to settle here 😢 how lovely

6onTheHappyFarm · 10/11/2018 20:10

Oh and we are Baptist. We focus more on the needs within our congregation (sick and bereaved members, guidance etc) and the needs of our local community. We also pray about whatever is going on in the world at that point in time. Elections, famines, war, tragic events and so forth.

Not the RF though.

Oatomatom · 10/11/2018 20:17

I was taught (by my grandmother, a refugee from Nazi Germany) that it is done to prove that Jews’ first loyalty is to this country, not to their faith or even to Israel.

You will hear accusations that all Jews are working for Israel / Mossad / a world financial conspiracy even today.

Caprisunorange · 10/11/2018 20:17

Oh goodness, that’s so sad Oatomatom

bananafish81 · 11/11/2018 22:21

I'm Jewish, DH isn't (our wedding was Jew-ish interfaith) - we were at the first proper orthodox wedding he'd ever been to

After Hatikvah (Israeli national anthem) the band start playing God save the Queen, and everyone joins in the singing

DH whispered in my ear 'why are we singing the national anthem at a wedding do?!'

Explained it was about showing allegiance to one's country, he seemed satisfied with that, although still thought it was quite surreal! (this was after he'd got over the shock of seeing the groom nearly getting killed as he was flung several feet in the air by a bedsheet!) Grin

NameChangeToAvoidBeingFound · 11/11/2018 22:31

Church of England here and we don't pray for the royal family specifically unless its around an event or something. We do pray for the military and emergency services and our local community, the country and for any wars/disasters etc. We also pray for other religions holidays during those times and support the celebration of them in instances when they may face prejudice and a lot of our community outreach is done in coordination with different churches and religions, which I love tbh.

TowerRingInferno · 11/11/2018 22:36

C of E and we don’t do this except on special royal occasions - Queen’s Jubilee, for example.

bananafish81 · 11/11/2018 22:43

https://www.thejc.com/judaism/features/the-history-behind-the-prayer-for-the-royals-1.33716

On recording his visit to a synagogue on Simchat Torah on October 13 1663, Samuel Pepys made two observations. Firstly the decorum was terrible and secondly a special prayer was recited in Hebrew for the King.

According to tradition, a prayer for the welfare of the ruling party, government or monarch has been in practice since Jeremiah, from where the original source comes: “And find the protection in the city where you have been exiled to, and pray to God on its behalf; for in its prosperity you shall succeed” (29:7).

bananafish81 · 11/11/2018 22:44

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2012/apr/12/face-to-faith-judaisim-prayers-for-the-queen

Lovely anecdote from Rabbi Jonathan Romain:

Princess Margaret was astonished. In 1990 she was attending a service marking the 50th anniversary of Maidenhead synagogue and was struck by the fact that we read a prayer for the good health and wise counsel of the Queen.
When I explained that the prayer was not a one-off but recited every sabbath in every synagogue in Britain, she remarked: "How lovely, they don't do that for us in church; I'll tell my sister."

Oatomatom · 12/11/2018 06:54

bananafish Fascinating, thank you!

Witchend · 12/11/2018 07:21

Part of the Anglican prayer section.
"... Bless Elizabeth our Queen and direct this nation, and all nations in the ways of justice and of peace that men may honour one another and seek the common good"

Knitwit101 · 12/11/2018 07:24

Another church of Scotland, no we don't routinely. But might of there was a current news story or something. And we obviously sang the national anthem yesterday at remembrance day.
No the Queen is not head of the Church of Scotland.

brookshelley · 12/11/2018 07:26

My happy clappy evangelical CofE does pray for the Queen every now and again.

Bobbiepin · 12/11/2018 07:26

to prove that Jews’ first loyalty is to this country

A considerable amount of sway is given in Judiasm to obeying the rules of the land you are on above the laws of religion. If the lay of the land means you cannot practice in the manner you are required to, you find somewhere else to live. So many British Jews are here because at one point our ancestors were refugees and we aren't about to forget it.

anniehm · 12/11/2018 08:03

Yes, standard prayers at evensong (book of common prayer) and sometimes in the morning, depends on who prepared them

AamdC · 12/11/2018 08:42

Im also a lapsed catholic and i dont ever recall this, we always said prayers for the Bishop/s and the Pope and people on the sck list but o cant remember the Royal family?

Coffeeandcrochet · 12/11/2018 08:56

In the CofE Order for Evening Prayer the minister prays “O Lord, save the Queen” and the congregation/choir responds “And mercifully hear us when we call upon thee”.

In our church the Queen is often prayed for in the intercessions in the Sunday morning service as well, but it’s less formalised than in evensong.

gamerwidow · 12/11/2018 09:01

A considerable amount of sway is given in Judiasm to obeying the rules of the land you are on above the laws of religion.
And yet still they have to contend with regularly being accused of being secret Israeli loyalists plotting the downfall of all other races. I hate people sometimes.

PainUni · 12/11/2018 09:05

At mosque we pray for peace, prosperity and stability for all the residents in this country (which includes RF).

Oatomatom · 12/11/2018 09:43

So many British Jews are here because at one point our ancestors were refugees and we aren't about to forget it.

Yes. This. ^^^

I don’t practise, but I’m very grateful to the decisions of past governments to shelter Jews fleeing from pogroms across Russia and Eastern Europe, and (later) from Nazi Germany. My great grandparents / grandparents came with nothing - not even spoken English. The awful things people say about refugees and immigrants today always remind me how lucky I am.

DioneTheDiabolist · 12/11/2018 09:48

Never heard it in any catholic churches in NI.Grin

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 12/11/2018 09:55

God save the queen is in the old red C of S hymnary and I can't think why it wouldn't be in the newer one.
I just haven't sung it in church since it came out.

Ministers lead prayers for the royal family at Crathie near Balmoral when they stay there - my dad has done that.

But when not in their presence he would be more likely to pray for farmers or the armed forces or people facing natural disasters etc.
Not that it's a zero sum game obviously.
But a service is only 40 minutes or so.

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