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MIL taking DP abroad without us?

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AngelsAckiz · 25/08/2018 10:49

I need help with a dilemma as I don't know if I'm going the right or wrong thing.

Been with DP 4 years and since day 1, mil has not liked me at all. I may even go as far as hate.

I'm 8 years older than DP and he had only ever had 1 previous relationship. He's very shy and nerdy, I am outgoing and nerdy so very good fit.

Bit of background:
For his 30th birthday when we were together 3 months, I asked him if he'd like to go to Tenerife for the week, 6 months later on his birthday to celebrate and we decided to do it.

DP then told me that when his mum found out, she hit the roof saying that I was trying to trap him because I would "owe" him and the relationship would be unequal. They argued for hours and resolved it.

Then came 4 years of arguments and horribleness. Whenever I would visit, I would get shouted at.
Things like, I spend too much time with him when we are together (we saw each other every other weekend as it was a ldr). I need to lose weight, I drink too much and turning DP into an alcoholic (we have a few glasses of wine at the weekend!)
He moved in last May so that's 2 years or so of seeing each other long distance first. It could have been sooner, but mil was doing a drama course and he had agreed to help her with her website, learning lines and finances etc.
She is OBSESSED and I mean obsessed with food. She manages to make every conversation about nutrients and vitamins. She tells DP he needs to go to the gym and used to control what he eats. She even used to tell him what to wear when going out and do his hair for him like a child.

We had a huge argument when her and her brand new Jamaican boyfriend came to visit for 3 days because she said she would buy everyone a steak for dinner. I was fine with it despite never having the audacity to suggest meal ideas at her house. At the supermarket her bf said he didn't want steak and he wanted chicken. I mention he's Jamaican bc he will only eat Caribbean dishes usually. They ended up rowing bc she thought everyone should have beef bc chicken is bland.
Ended up him cooking a chicken stew and her cooking steak. In our house. We just sat there dumbfounded. We had planned the meals we were going to cook and ended up being guests in our own house while they cooked separate meals.
It got worse the next day when she complained that the buffet we had planned was not enough food and she refused to eat it, but wanted to go bowling and have a roast dinner (cooked by me) within the space of 4 hours before she and bf had to leave for her coach. When I tried to compromise with either bowling or dinner, she wouldn't budge and stood in the kitchen with her arms folded and her bottom lip hanging out saying she wanted to do both.

I admit I called her a petulant child and she can't have both, she must choose one or the other. I was just exhausted and exasperated with it all. It had been such hard work. I was also reeling from mil accusing her bf for talking to me too much.

She called me manipulative and controlling. It was just horrible.

I left the house and said i would return when she had gone.

That is the short, short version.

DP can't believe how much of a bitch she is (his words) to me but still speaks to her on the phone to deal with her latest crisis. There's always a crisis for him to resolve.

Now she has asked him to go to Holland for a week to visit relatives and I'm obviously not invited.

He wants to go and obviously I wouldn't want to go and spend one hour let alone one week with her.

We have often talked about going together to visit his family and go to Amsterdam. But is this what it's going to be like forever?

Should he go and appease her? Or should she go alone and we go together another time? I don't want to begrudge him at all. He doesn't speak any Dutch and not all the family can speak English so we would be limited to visiting English speaking family when we go.

I don't know if I would be in the wrong to say he doesn't go. I feel very torn on the issue. Thanks for reading.

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FlibbertyGiblets · 25/08/2018 10:59

I think you're not a good fit sorry.

You're all about letting him do stuff, mothering him. Not cool and you've put yourself in direct competition with his mum. Time to say so long and thanks for all the fish.

Antigon · 25/08/2018 11:04

You say he wants to go, so of course he should go. It would be wrong to say he doesn't go unless money is very tight and he would be using joint money.

It probably makes more sense for him and MIL to go as it's their family. You and DP could go another time to see his English speaking relatives.

However, MIL does sound petulant so I would be clear that you won't have her in your house because she shouts at you. DP should be able to go to her house though.

Doyoumind · 25/08/2018 11:10

There shouldn't be any suggestion of you not 'letting' him go.

Of course he can speak to his mum. Many people have difficult parents. Some go NC, some muddle through. You have to respect what your DP wants.

You and his mother are never going to get on. You either need to work with your DP to agree a way forward that you are comfortable with or move on.

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HannahnotAgnes · 25/08/2018 11:37

Agree with Flibberty.

BertrandRussell · 25/08/2018 11:41

Not up to you whether he goes or not, surely?

BertrandRussell · 25/08/2018 11:44

Not sure why you’re so bothered about them buying food for everyone and cooking in your house- doesn’t everyone do this?

But some of the other stuff sounds grim. I do think you need to pick your battles though.

Myneighbourisodd · 25/08/2018 11:49

You need to decide wether you can stand to have this woman on your life forevermore, she's not going to change, the situation will be 10 x worse when you have children and they become aware that grandma hates their mother, this was my life, for a long time until I decided enough was enough and left him. My issue wasn't his mother though really, it was the way HE chose to deal with it, by doing nothing. Never standing up for me or our marriage, her behavior was terrible but I would have let her carry on forever as long as he had had my back, so think very carefully about your future.

Namechangeforthiscancershit · 25/08/2018 11:50

I don’t think having family cook in your house on an extended visit is a massive deal tbh. I don’t think I could get very wound up about that

NameChange30 · 25/08/2018 11:52

Look, you get to decide whether you see MIL, you can choose whether or not you invite her into your home and visit or spend time with her. But you don’t get to decide what your partner does. It’s completely up to him whether he spends time with his mum and talks to her on the phone. It might cause him stress and upset, she might try to manipulate him and say horrible things about you, but it’s his decision and your only role is to support him. You can point out the impact of her behaviour and how he deals with it on your relationship. But you can’t tell him what to do, not unless he asks for your advice and even then he might not take it.

I suggest you read “Toxic In-laws” by Susan Forward. I read it myself recently and it’s good.

It’s shit and it’s hard but you really need to disengage with MIL. The book will help.

NameChange30 · 25/08/2018 12:05

I’ve just seen your other thread about your MIL (why start two btw?) Anyway I read that your partner was still living at home with her until he moved out to live with you aged 31 Confused I think he must be deep in the FOG (fear, obligation and guilt) and is going to need a lot of gentle encouragement and support from you to see the light. Tread carefully though because he might be difficult to reason with on this. Do you think you could persuade him to read “Toxic Parents” (Susan Forward)?

BarbraDear · 25/08/2018 12:08

Sorry who is 'us' in your title, OP? Are there kids involved?

I don't think it's a big deal that your partner goes away with his Mum on his own and gets to know his family, it will mean he has a better relationship with them for when you both go.

optimusprimesmother · 25/08/2018 12:21

I second the Toxic Parents Book!

The behaviour in your house was ridiculous but im not surprised as my mil was the same.

I’m eight years In and after me going NC with mil for two years dh has only really just put his foot down with her after some really vile late night texts of her and they are not speaking - at the moment

He has had a life time of being controlled and his very make up will probably always see her as a bit of a victim or ‘she doesn’t doesn’t realise how bad she is’

I’m public enemy no.1 now on his family as I argued back this time and it’s so stressful. Tbh if I had known she would be this bad no way would I have got with him in the first place. But I’m married with two kids now so I’ve just got deal with it Sad

She SHOWS you how she is.
He SHOWS you how he reacts and handles her.

Neither are going to change. And if he does change it’s because he feels pressured, forced, guilted by another women- but he will always go back to her on some way because she is his mum and he feels guilt.

My dh often says - ‘I don’t like the women and if she wasn’t my mum I would never speak to her’

Angels this is something you will always endure - till she is dead. Can you really be arsed with that ??

Knittedfairies · 25/08/2018 12:21

Your partner is an adult who doesn’t have to be ‘taken’ anywhere. His mother is not the only one leaving you behind, he is too.

optimusprimesmother · 25/08/2018 12:38

knitted are you mil Grin

BertrandRussell · 25/08/2018 13:00

I don't understand about roast dinners and bowling.

I don't understand why family buying and cooking food for everyone in your house is an awful thing to do and caused a row

I don't understand the significance of him being Jamaican.

I don't understand why it is up to you whether he goes to Amsterdam with his mother or not.

But she has been horrible to you for 4 years. Stop seeing her.

AngelsAckiz · 25/08/2018 13:19

Thank you so much for your replies! RL friends have said to me he shouldn't be going anywhere without me but I was not sure because he should be able to do what he wants right? So thank you. He has always stood up for me and can't apologise enough for her behaviour. However he still loves his mum and rightly so.

The dinners thing would be no issue it's really the shocking hypocrisy that when we visit her, she berates us both like children over food. What" have you been eating? Oh that's not good enough! You should eat xyz". We have said "no thank you, we are eating out later" to food offers so she asks what we plan on eating and will serve us food anyway so we have a "proper dinner in us." I got over that by telling OH I won't visit again.

I'm a 41 year old mother of 2 being spoken down to like a 5 year old and it pushes my buttons. It's not done in a friendly way. Nothing is ever right. So I found it incredible that she came to our home and started doing the same thing. What we planned to cook wasn't good enough and she slagged off the food. We eat healthily!

But yeah regarding Holland, I'll take the advice. She will be paying for him to go I assume. We will go together at a later date. Thanks all. Flowers

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Knittedfairies · 25/08/2018 13:52

knitted are you mil
I don’t think so... I’m not Dutch to start with 😅

deste · 25/08/2018 14:04

Sorry but I agree with Knitted.

BertrandRussell · 25/08/2018 14:30

“She will be paying for him to go I assume”

Well, not if you don’t want to be treated like children.........

AngelsAckiz · 25/08/2018 14:47

He wouldn't go otherwise, we are skint. If it were the two of us, then we would pay for ourselves or not go. But yeah, good point! I'll bring it up and see what he says.

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AngelsAckiz · 29/08/2018 12:49

I've said I support his decision to go for a week. She will be paying because we are too skint. (We are saving for a car and TTC!) He doesn't have links with many of his Dutch relatives because of the language barrier. So he needs to go with her. But because of the fall out, I'll never be able to go with him. Just visit the few English speaking ones in the future. This makes me very sad but can't see a way round it.
OH says he feels very awkward about going without me and won't know what to say if relatives ask about his life and why I'm not with him.
It makes us both pretty sad actually.

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CantSleepClownsWillEatMe · 29/08/2018 13:21

You're TTCing? Well, be prepared for her to get a hell of a lot worse when her GC comes along if this is how she is about a grown man!

I think you'll always be the enemy here, the older woman who stole her baby boy and now neglects him by not feeding him enough Grin.

It's all very well that he's making the right noises but it sounds like he still tends to give in to her. At 41 I'm sure there's no flies on you Op but I have to be honest, I can see constant interference in your relationship and how things work out will depend on how willing he is to cut the apron strings or how much you're prepared to put up with.

Returnofthesmileybar · 29/08/2018 13:23

This all sounds very petty and overly dramatic to be honest. I mean I don't think any of the examples you give make her sound that bad. And your last line asking what he will tell people when they ask, he says nothing "she's great, I'll her you were asking for her", people won't care, you have never met, it's really not that big a deal.

I think a little bit of chilling out and not reading too much into things by everyone would go a long way. I think you and the mother sound like you are marking your territories

AngelsAckiz · 29/08/2018 16:43

She accused me of tricking her ds into falling in love with me.
She says I'm nothing but a desperate older single mum who would stoop to any level to bag a handsome younger man.
She says I'm jealous that she's so beautiful and young at heart.
She said that because I was abused as a child by my step father that she must be a much stronger woman to have been bullied by her father but not abused.
She says the reason I don't have much of a relationship with said abusive parents is because I am sick and twisted.

All these things she has said to my face in front of DP.

She has triggered my anxiety disorder and PTSD on more than one occasion. I've cried so many tears over this woman. She frightens me and is the only thing that could split dp and me up. I get so stressed whenever the phone rings and it's her on the phone. I never know what she's going to say next.

DP and her are off to Holland for a week, looks like in November.

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NameChange30 · 29/08/2018 16:47
Flowers

I can’t believe he still gives her the time of day tbh after all the vile things she said to you

Read “Toxic in laws” by susan Forward and give him a copy of “Toxic Parents” by the same author

Do this and do a LOT more talking before TTC

Do you really want this woman to be the grandmother of your children? Do you want her to see them? Influence them?

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