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MIL taking DP abroad without us?

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AngelsAckiz · 25/08/2018 10:49

I need help with a dilemma as I don't know if I'm going the right or wrong thing.

Been with DP 4 years and since day 1, mil has not liked me at all. I may even go as far as hate.

I'm 8 years older than DP and he had only ever had 1 previous relationship. He's very shy and nerdy, I am outgoing and nerdy so very good fit.

Bit of background:
For his 30th birthday when we were together 3 months, I asked him if he'd like to go to Tenerife for the week, 6 months later on his birthday to celebrate and we decided to do it.

DP then told me that when his mum found out, she hit the roof saying that I was trying to trap him because I would "owe" him and the relationship would be unequal. They argued for hours and resolved it.

Then came 4 years of arguments and horribleness. Whenever I would visit, I would get shouted at.
Things like, I spend too much time with him when we are together (we saw each other every other weekend as it was a ldr). I need to lose weight, I drink too much and turning DP into an alcoholic (we have a few glasses of wine at the weekend!)
He moved in last May so that's 2 years or so of seeing each other long distance first. It could have been sooner, but mil was doing a drama course and he had agreed to help her with her website, learning lines and finances etc.
She is OBSESSED and I mean obsessed with food. She manages to make every conversation about nutrients and vitamins. She tells DP he needs to go to the gym and used to control what he eats. She even used to tell him what to wear when going out and do his hair for him like a child.

We had a huge argument when her and her brand new Jamaican boyfriend came to visit for 3 days because she said she would buy everyone a steak for dinner. I was fine with it despite never having the audacity to suggest meal ideas at her house. At the supermarket her bf said he didn't want steak and he wanted chicken. I mention he's Jamaican bc he will only eat Caribbean dishes usually. They ended up rowing bc she thought everyone should have beef bc chicken is bland.
Ended up him cooking a chicken stew and her cooking steak. In our house. We just sat there dumbfounded. We had planned the meals we were going to cook and ended up being guests in our own house while they cooked separate meals.
It got worse the next day when she complained that the buffet we had planned was not enough food and she refused to eat it, but wanted to go bowling and have a roast dinner (cooked by me) within the space of 4 hours before she and bf had to leave for her coach. When I tried to compromise with either bowling or dinner, she wouldn't budge and stood in the kitchen with her arms folded and her bottom lip hanging out saying she wanted to do both.

I admit I called her a petulant child and she can't have both, she must choose one or the other. I was just exhausted and exasperated with it all. It had been such hard work. I was also reeling from mil accusing her bf for talking to me too much.

She called me manipulative and controlling. It was just horrible.

I left the house and said i would return when she had gone.

That is the short, short version.

DP can't believe how much of a bitch she is (his words) to me but still speaks to her on the phone to deal with her latest crisis. There's always a crisis for him to resolve.

Now she has asked him to go to Holland for a week to visit relatives and I'm obviously not invited.

He wants to go and obviously I wouldn't want to go and spend one hour let alone one week with her.

We have often talked about going together to visit his family and go to Amsterdam. But is this what it's going to be like forever?

Should he go and appease her? Or should she go alone and we go together another time? I don't want to begrudge him at all. He doesn't speak any Dutch and not all the family can speak English so we would be limited to visiting English speaking family when we go.

I don't know if I would be in the wrong to say he doesn't go. I feel very torn on the issue. Thanks for reading.

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LeroyJenkins · 29/08/2018 16:47

He doesn't speak any Dutch and not all the family can speak English so we would be limited to visiting English speaking family when we go.
Why can't you visit the non English speakers? Most people there speak English and you have smart phones with Google translate, and you could learn a bit before you go

AngelsAckiz · 29/08/2018 16:51

What is so strange though is that she married a man with the exact same age difference as myself and dp.

DP once asked me to bring a book or magazine with me on my trip to see him (we spent 2 days ever 2 weeks for 18 months in the beginning) because his DM had complained that I don't leave his side and she can't have five minutes alone with her son to chat.
I brought a book and did as asked (her house) and in the end, I was pretty much ignored, felt totally invisible. DP and her organised a trip to the cinema for the 3 of us, and didn't consult me on any of it. Not even to ask me if I wanted to go or not.

I called my friend in tears while I stayed in the house while they went shopping and he said to leave, so I did.

In the end it was DP I was angry at because it wasn't his mum who asked me to bring a book. It was his idea because he was more worried and concerned about his mum than spending precious time together with me.

There's quite a bit of history which pretty much started from day one.

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EnidButton · 29/08/2018 16:52

mil was doing a drama course

Bet she passed that with flying colours!

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NameChange30 · 29/08/2018 16:57

Why on earth did you stay with him then?
You have two children already. You can’t be dealing with this shit.
Presumably now he is living with you they are witnessing the dysfunction.
What kind of relationship model are you showing them?

I suggest you work on your standards and led esteem.

NameChange30 · 29/08/2018 16:58

self esteem

Holidayshopping · 29/08/2018 16:59

I think he will always be a mummy’s boy and you are best off without him. If he told her to treat you in a civil way and said if she didn’t, he wouldn’t see her any more-you might stand a chance, but he hasn’t.

He may think or say that she’s being a bitch, but he’s still letting talk to you like that, he’s still letting her utterly dominate your meals/weekends/holidays etc. Look at his actions not his words.

AngelsAckiz · 29/08/2018 17:01

Yeah I get that. All conversations would be through her, translating what each person says. It didn't occur to me to use Google translate. I would love to see Holland with him. I love the country and the culture very much and I've learned Dutch recipes like gevuld speculaas and customs like sprinkles and stroopwaffels, chocolate letters at Christmas etc.

After the last fall out where she called me sick and twisted and told me I was a liar about the previous argument the time before (where DP said "we no, you did say all those things, I was there when you said them!") She said I must have gaslighted DP and planted false memories, After she left for home, he phoned her 2 days later to say "I'm still angry but want to reassure you that I love you" and since then about 6 weeks have passed and he hasn't had it out with her.
Now he's planning a holiday with her.

Just writing this out is depressing me and breaking my heart. We've discussed marriage recently too. I am literally at a loss at how to deal with all this.

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AngelsAckiz · 29/08/2018 17:04

Tbf the kids have witnessed none of this. But yes. Something needs to give. It's a delicate balance though isn't it. It's his mum and they've had a close relationship for 3 decades. I always feel like I'm hurting him whenever me and his mum have a falling out.

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NameChange30 · 29/08/2018 17:23

“After she left for home, he phoned her 2 days later to say "I'm still angry but want to reassure you that I love you" and since then about 6 weeks have passed and he hasn't had it out with her.
Now he's planning a holiday with her.”

LTB. Or get couples counselling.

Whatever you do, don’t get pregnant or engaged. He is not husband or father material and will have to do a lot of work on himself before he is!

NameChange30 · 29/08/2018 17:26

Btw when I say your children are witnessing the dysfunction, I mean between you and DP. Because as everyone says, you don’t just have a MIL problem, you have a DP problem.

I still can’t believe he treated you so badly when you first starting dating and you didn’t RUN FOR THE HILLS.

Is he an amazing shag or something?! Can’t imagine he had much practice living at home with mummy

AngelsAckiz · 29/08/2018 17:31

I absolutely did run for the hills, but he convinced me back. She then said (behind my back to him) that I was emotionally blackmailing him.

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standbyyourmammaryglands · 29/08/2018 17:39

Another weak Male who is happy for two women to fight over him.

If he was feeling sad about you not going - he wouldn’t go. So he can’t be feeling that sad can he?

I bet he is super excited when he talks to his mum in private though!

Really, why on earth are you trying for a child with this man child?

standbyyourmammaryglands · 29/08/2018 17:41

I absolutely did run for the hills, but he convinced me back. She then said (behind my back to him) that I was emotionally blackmailing him

Yep he is loving being right in the middle telling tales on you both. And you want a baby t this man?? Why inflict a baby in to this mess it’s not healthy?

RapunzelsRealMom · 29/08/2018 17:50

Oh OP I really feel for you.

This is a horribly toxic relationship - not just your relationship with MIL (although that's bad enough), but his insistence on not supporting you nor standing up to her.

She treats you like children because you behave like children - letting her pay for things, letting her decide what you eat, not putting your foot down as responsible adults. I don't mean to be harsh - I have had a similar situation with my DM which I have sought counselling for and am currently dealing with.

Unless he puts you first, you need to consider if you can live like this for the next 30 (??) years. It WILL only get worse when children arrive and then you can never have a clean break.

Good luck Thanks

JumblieGirl · 29/08/2018 18:01

Why bring a baby into this hideous muddle, with a man who has trouble prioritising and establishing and maintaining boundaries? How old are your children, and how much of the stress, tension and misery are they observing and absorbing? So many parents think that they have hidden adult shit from their children, but they haven’t. He needs to sort out the mess that is his relationships before anything like marriage or a baby is a positive development.

NameChange30 · 29/08/2018 18:02

It’s not running for the hills if you go back!

Roseandvioletcreams · 29/08/2018 19:20

Op. It's pretty obvious... That she had an unhealthy attachment to him.

That's obvious.

Bertrand Russel

It's hard to explain what's wrong with this situation in some ways if you have no personal experience of this level of control.

When I met dh I thought it was sweet at 27 his dm still brought him clothes, and tried to control things eg wouldn't let me him cook in the kitchen (he still lived at home), etc etc.

It's taken me a long time and serval counselling sessions later to understand its not coming from a place of love.

I wonder if you imagine treating your dc like this who knows perhaps you already do? But generally the rule is, our dc are their own people.

We must encourage and support them to be who we they want to be. They are not play things for us to practice on.
. There was a wondeful drama series on now tv with any Adams.
Called sharp objects.

It would help you understand the sort of dynamic many people are up agaisnt.

The mum is rich and beautiful, and to all and sundry the most caring mum on the planet.
She loves her dds so much and inspite of their many illness has been loving by thier bedside.

And yet.. Not all is as it seems. We have to wake up and learn to understand subtext. Nuance. In every walk of life.

When I read posts like this and responses like some we get, it doesn't surprise me that nuns and priest etc were able to abuse children for so long.

Because so many people are so limited and navive when it comes to understanding human nature.

Roseandvioletcreams · 29/08/2018 19:22

yy

Rapunzel I am another whose life has been blighted by this sort of thing. I do wonder whether I should have stayed alone.

Roseandvioletcreams · 29/08/2018 19:27

Im confused it sounds like you have dc??!

Anyway.

Run. For. The. Hills.

There is no way forward op. There isn't. Call it at day and move on.

SilverySurfer · 29/08/2018 19:34

If you have a child with this bloke she will be in your life forever, regardless if you split with him or not. Please have a serious think about TTC.

I left someone I thought was 'the one' because of his mother. He was completely in her thrall and I would have always come second. The first time we went to visit her she met us at the station. Her very first words to me, pointing to DP's face with a look of disgust on hers, were 'I suppose the beard is your doing?' I replied 'No he's a big boy now (mid 30s) and it was his choice.' She rolled her eyes and it went downhill from there.

You are either going to have to put her straight with your DP supporting you (tough as he is in FOG and it's his mummy) - going NC if necessary, or walk away. I reckon anything else will be a whole load of pain for you in the future, especially if you have a child.

I wish you the best of luck.

Thatsfuckingshit · 29/08/2018 19:45

Ok, I am sure this doesn't go for all relationships where the woman is older, but from my experience when a woman gets into a relationship with a younger man, it usually ends upon more of a parenting situation.

I have seen men who are clearly trying to find a second mother, getting with older women who seem to out up with shit from the younger man, for no good reason.

It never works out in the end, because eventually one gets fed up with the dynamic.

In this situation your Dp has set you up as a second mum. You have gladly accepted that role and now competing with his mum.
He isn't considerate of you and puts her first. You talk about allowing him to do stuff. I can't believe you are the when the dynamic is so fucked up.

I am not sure I completely believe the drip feed. She done all these things, but you mention her cooking at your house in your op instead?

GreenTulips · 29/08/2018 22:25

You have gladly accepted that role and now competing with his mum

I thinknota the other way round, it's the mother trying to compete by putting OP back in her box,

Guests coming for tea and then not only snubbing your meal plan, but then go to the supermarket and cook separate meals is totally rude!

This mother doesn't know she needs to step back and let her son have his own life.

I'm raising my children to be independent and form healthy relationships, to go on to happy adulthood, with me supporting them quietly from the sidelines .... I have no intention of being continuing the Adult/child relationship more Adult/Adult

LeroyJenkins · 30/08/2018 09:44

TBH i'm not sure i would be staying with DP - you need to have a serious conversation with him and explain if he wants to stay with you in a grown up relationship you both need to be on the same team - if he cant promise you that, then its time to call it a day

AngelsAckiz · 30/08/2018 09:50

I woken up to new responses, thank you.
I'm not sure how to tag people individually on here.
Prompted by this post, I had the courage to talk to DP last night. Not because I'm worried of his reaction, but because it just a very tough conversation.
I said it was very much an elephant in the room and we absolutely have to be on the same page and know each other's views and intentions.
So first off, dp wants to have it out with her in person. Luckily she lives 200 miles away, so she's not exactly in our pockets but it has also meant not sorting it out sooner due to work commitments etc.
I made it clear that I wouldn't be happy to have DC pr any future DC within a 10 mile radius of her. To clear up confusion, I have 2 from previous relationship who are 9 and 14. She has upset both children at various points regarding telling DD "getting fat" because she was enjoying chocolate at Christmas! And that DS needs to eat this and that or else xyz.
He said he agrees. He said that she has caused it all and she will lose out.
Said Christmas is about us as a family and he puts us first. We've sorted out plans for Christmas day. He may visit her alone either 2 days before or 2 days after.
He doesn't want her in our home either.

I've said we are probably never likely to get along, even with an apology and he is fine with that.

I understand what everyone says about him being a man looking for another parent. Certainly looked that way to me. He led a sheltered life of control and obedience for 3 decades. His DF divorced her at age 12 and he sees his dad occasionally. Really nice man and we get on 100%
I don't believe in charging children with the crimes of the parent. I have watched DP grow and adapt over 4 years.
It's not over yet, he's still learning. It has at times been like having an extra child around the house admittedly. But he steps up to the plate and does what is needed.

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