Is there a thread about Katie Price's IVF attempts?

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just read about this and tbh am a little shocked. they have reportedly had tests which show no obvious problem but because they werent falling pg quickly enough they decided on IVF. and have already had two failed attempts.

Is it just me that thinks its a bit shitty that the rules re waiting to see if you conceive naturally dont apply if you have enough cash? and this pretty much wraps up everything that is wrong in our "must have now" society? and also proves that many people think that IVF=instant baby, when in fact its a horrendous process that shouldnt be undertaken just because you dont have any patience?

disclaimer: am feeling a tad under the weather at the mo. so dont flame me too much!

If you are paying to have it yourself then I would have thought you can start as soon as you like so long as both people have had teh basic ovulation and sperm tests?

I also read that they had ICSi so that would suggest that it is her husband who has the fertility problem and so trying a bit longer may not have worked.

i tend to not believe anything i read about KP, in fact i tend to avoid reading anything about her as its usually a load of tosh

but at the end of the day its up to her what she spends her cash on

hmm, maybe i am being a tad oversensitive/hormonal/bitchy. it just seems a little soon to start treatment to me.

but i have no perspective when it comes to ttc...

I am amazed that she would choose to go down the IVF route with no compelling reason (IMO) - after all she has 3(??) other children and no reason to think there is a problem yet (if the media are to be believed).
However I agree with DF that presuming it's her money she can spend it on anything she likes - including IVF it would seem!

no one could blame you for that lissie :)

I tend to agree with you and I think anyone who has ever had issues ttc would agree with you. Let's face it, all the surgery Botox etc probably haven't helped her chances and like most of these celebs that starve themselves her bmi is prob too low. Trying to be fair though I guess it is possible that they discovered after getting married that he has a fertility issue ( irony ) as her other children were with other fathers so I suppose in that case it probably makes sense to get on with it. I suspect though that she is just used to getting what she wants when she wants and doesn't realise that for a couple in their mid thirties it is quite reasonable statistically for it to take up to a year if trying.

when I read this story in the Daily Mail (Sorry) I was surprised by the statement "While the process has a 65 per cent success rate, Katie and Alex's first attempt proved disappointing for the pair, and they were told just nine of their eggs had taken - the usual number for a successful attempt is 12 or 13" but I am guessing the article was written by someone who has no idea about IVF.ICSi? I wondered what they meant by 'just nine of their eggs had taken' because 9 would be considered a healthy enough number and if hey all developed well after 3 days then presumably Katie and Alex could have frozen the embryos. There's no way that they would have put all 9 in.

I haven't read teh book though so can't say how accurate the information is.

from what i can gather there are no problems, just that the egg and sperm werent connecting. while i agree that its her money etc, its not them im cross about, its the clinic. It seems terribly unfair that by having enough money to jump over all the hoops that everyone else jumps through to be accepted for ivf cycles you arent subject to the rules which are there for a reason.

i would understand if tests had shown a problem such as low sperm count etc, but she is not old, only 32. same age as me. they havent been trying for that long, just over a year.

and now the HFEA have been abolished it will become a more frequent occurence.

65% success rate? really? i thought it was closer to 30%!

If you are paying for IVF yourself it doesn't bother me if people don't ttc for, say, two years beforehand. Sometimes time is more pressing (eg if you are over 40) or if there are known fertility problems. I'm a but more when celebs do it just to speed things up (didn't Pitt/Jolie do this) but it's their money I suppose...

I am guessing that when they start out they have no idea how stressful IVF really is and think it is a magic cure when although success rates are improving, it's still more likely to fail than succeed (overall, though depending on age your chances may be better).

Having done it myself, twice, I wouldn't be in a rush to go through it again.

from the HFEA

I agree - it seems like a very odd thing to put yourself through if you don't have to. I had IVF and I actually found it quite easy even with the drugs and injections but I know other people who have had awful experiences.

The whole infertility thing is stressful though and it's so easy to become stressed out after even just a few months trying. Given that she has had miscarriages before I guess that she would have very quickly got into that 'it's never ging to happen' state of mind.

How many C-sections can she have - I thought no more than 3.

No doubt there will be "Katie and Alex do IVF" on ITV2

I'm no fan of KP and I'm sure that she'll do whatever it takes to milk this for publicity ... but IF her husband has a fertility problem (and I don't know if he has, so that's an if), isn't HE entitled to treatment to have a biological child of his own?

You can have more than 3 cs but I think it's fair to say the risks of the pregnancy (scar rupture and the like) and the surgery increase. I personally know someone who has had 4. I've had 2 cs and a vbac in the middle, and according to the consultant I spoke to 4 is not uncommon.

KP had 2 c-sections, harvey was born vaginally.

Not that it matters but my MIL had 5 c sections. After 4 they told her not to get pg again but she wanted another.

lissielou - your right. The success rate of IVF is nowhere near 65% - its 25%ish, the same chance as conceiving naturally each month. Someone at the Mail has definitely not done their research.

Maybe she hasn't made enough money out f her 'autobiography' and needs a kid quick to sell stories to the newspapers?

Yeah I thought Harvey was a VB too as I remember JOrdan criticising Victoria Beckham for being too posh to push. That was the first time I heard that stupid phrase.

Personally, I would say there isn't a moral issue here for me as it's their money and her body which will take the strain. But thinking about it I think I may have read that IVF can be more prone to certain medical conditions (but please don't quote me on that and I certainly don't mean to scare anyone or be critical of anyone who has had IVF). So perhaps there is an element of if ttc naturally might be safer than the baby then perhaps they should be more patient?

sorry, babies born by IVF that should say.

Slightly off-topic but I remember her being all phobic & squeamish about needles when they showed her being prepped for the C-section for Princess (?) yet she seems to have no fear of botox needles

If she's paying for IVF privately why should she have to wait. She's had 3 children before (and several miscarriages too) so she must know there is a problem if she now can't get pregnant with this bloke.

LissieLou at the risk of upsetting you, presuming you are having trouble TTC right now, which I'm assuming you are from what you've said here, wouldn't you be out there having IVF right now just like Katie Price if you could afford it and have it on demand like her?

Sorry, but it just sounds like sour grapes to me...

yes i would, but I wouldnt be having it after a year. Ive been ttc for 5y now and IVF still seems like a huge step.

not sour grapes, or even patience but a better understanding of how fertility (or lack of it) works and i find it boggling that anyone could be so impatient and that a clinic would allow it when they have been ttc for such a short period of time.

But the point is lissielou you presumably haven't already got children and Katie Price has 3, not to mention falling pregnant several other times and miscarrying with her previous husband. She knows therefore that she can get pregnant as easily as falling off a log with with men other than her current husband so after a year of trying she's bound to be thinking "hang on a minute, something's not right here". I'd think the same and if I could afford to go and get the problem investigated privately, I would too and so would you if you're honest. Why does she need to stick to some vague guidelines if there's no law preventing her from not doing so?

Perhaps if, like her, you'd been able to fall pregnant as easily as falling off a log with men other than your current partner, you too might also feel that there was something definitely wrong this time around and wouldn't want to delay seeking expert help to investigate the problem. If it were really important to you and you had the means at your disposal to get it sorted of course you'd do the same thing.

Katie Price might be an idiot but frankly it's just silly if people are judging her because she's financailly able to buy what she wants, and frequently does. People the world over who have the money to get what they want are not in the habit of sitting back and waiting. I wouldn't either if I had money and I don't think anyone normal would, would they?

Ironically her money is not buying her what she wants in this case - a baby - but it's only a matter of time I suspect before it does - and if she's having fertility treatment it'll probably be a case of buy one and get one (or maybe two, three or even more) free too!!