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I breed & show dogs : AMA

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LandSharksAnonymous · 06/01/2025 10:14

Two very different worlds - but I do both. 20 years experience in breeding, 10 in showing. My mum did both for 30+ years. Anything anyone would like to know?

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StarDolphins · 19/01/2025 21:52

I have no questions but the below is what I want from a breeder, good on you! I’m looking for a dog, sadly not a GR but absolutely nobody has wanted any info like this from me so here I am, back at square 1! I want to be interviewed to get a dog! You sound like a good breeder op.

’oh the stories I could tell! I've never had to hand a deposit back as I do my vetting before litters are born which gives me ample time to get to know the owners. BUT I am incredibly picky about potential owners and I'd say about 90% of the people who approach me are turned down. I'm fairly flexible about most things...but what I do not do is sell to first time dog owners - even if they have had dogs growing up - and I do not sell to people who won't share their bank statements, won't give me a live video tour of their home, those who work full time (unless it is predominantly WFH) and those who have young children’

HeavySnowPlease · 19/01/2025 22:03

Don't you feel guilty forcing the mothers to go through birth and pregnancy and then taking the babies away within weeks of them being born?

redditmodsaremisogynist · 20/01/2025 04:39

If you could change one thing about the breeding "industry", what would it be?

LandSharksAnonymous · 20/01/2025 07:56

@StarDolphins thank you! We are out there (for every breed) but I agree it is frustrating to try and find good breeders when so many are just awful!

@HeavySnowPlease i think you’re anthropomorphising dogs. My bitches love their pups but it’s not the love a mother has for her baby. And they are far better off being bred by me than 99% of other breeders - I’d only because I know what I’m doing. I don’t just breed one dog once and say ‘oh it all turned out fine, lucky me.’

@redditmodsaremisogynist easy question! No ‘breeder’ could have more than one litter a year - and if they did then their dogs and puppies would be rehomed and they’d go to prison for 3-5 years. It would take years to filter through but at the end you’d have dogs being bred by people who knew what they were doing, vetted people properly and sent dogs to the right homes. Puppy farm breeders would end and you’d likely stop a lot if breed specific behavioural issues that are the result of poor breeding. Would be hard to police and regulate, but so worth it. Perhaps a tad extreme, but I am sick of seeing idiots breeding dogs that aren’t fit to be bred and not looking after the puppies properly because they can’t as they breed too often to do it well

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LowMaintenance101 · 14/02/2025 12:46

Hi @LandSharksAnonymous
I realise this thread is a bit old, but I was reading a more recent thread, and you helpfully posted a link to this AMA.
The thread is so interesting, and I realise you've touched on how difficult it can be to find a good breeder, but I wonder of you have any tips in this area?
We lost our Labrador almost a year ago, and although at the time, we said never again (due to the absolute heartbreak), we are coming to realise that we would really like another dog in the next few years.
We made mistakes when we bought our boy - Mum and Dad both had good hip scores, but we weren't aware that elbow dysplasia was becoming more of an issue for Labs, so we didn't know to look for this. Low and behold, from about 4 months, we knew something wasn't right. He lived to be 13, and with some vetinary treatment, regular hydrotherapy and good weight management, he largely had an amazing life. But it was awful to see him go through flare ups.
To clarify, we wouldn't change him for the world - he was the best dog. The most gentle nature, loving boy and so handsome. We were quite often asked if we would breed from him, due to his looks and gentle nature - even when we explained he had elbow dysplasia, people would still push the point. Some people really are just in the for the money.
So, sorry for the very long winded way of asking - any tips for finding a good breeder to minimize potential health risks?

LandSharksAnonymous · 14/02/2025 13:08

@LowMaintenance101 - always happy to help!

My recommendation would be to reach out to breeders near you (you can access lists either from the kennel club, or from your local breed club), far ahead of when you expect to be ready for a puppy. Good breeders will have waiting lists and likely won’t advertise litters - so you want to speak to them in advance. You may have to go to further afield - but if you want a lab or retriever or spaniel, they are common enough you shouldn’t have to go too far. That being said I had someone travel 300+ miles for one of my pups once after waiting 2 years!

Remember though - just because a breeder is KC registered, or recommended by a breed club, does not make them a good breeder. Someone posted about a Goldie breeder a few weeks ago in ‘Doghouse’ - breeder was KC and recommended by the breed club. She also kept her ‘bitches’ at friends and families houses and bought them to her to get them pregnant and give birth…then sent them back to their homes again 8 weeks later.

You’ll want to talk to a variety of breeders and ask them questions such as; how many dogs they have (including active breeding bitches), how often do they have litters, what health tests they run on the parents (for example, heart checks aren’t considered mandatory for Goldies, but all of mine have them done because Goldies can have heart issues). Have a look at what different websites (UK kennel Club, American Kennel Club, UK Labrador pub [for example]) consider to be necessary health tests and what ‘good’ scores are. Don’t be afraid to be critical either of these recommendations - Goldie hip scores below 17 are considered ‘good.’ Personally, I would never want a dog above 7/8 as a combined score because, as you know, hip dysplasia can be really difficult both for the dog and the family.

A good breeder will be more than willing to talk to you about this and more. They may also ask you questions - that’s your opportunity to shine. It’s like a job interview. Think about what you can offer a dog. And don’t be worried about coming over as silly or foolish - I once asked someone why she wanted a Goldie so much and she replied ‘I want a best friend.’ And yes, Goldies can go wrong - as any dog can - but the frankness of her answer and the fact she’d shown throughout our conversation that she knew what dog ownership entailed, meant her slightly ‘naive’ answer there didn’t put me off. One ‘silly’ answer won’t ruin your chances. If you’re genuine and honest about your experiences and what you want, good breeders will appreciate that.

One you’ve spoken to breeders, consider for a few days/weeks, which breeder you got the best ‘vibe’ from. As you know, a puppy is a lifelong commitment and you need to pick the breeder you have the best relationship with and vibe from. Then ask them if you can go on their wait list (assuming you are content to wait that long)

So, my advice: do your research months or even a year+ in advance, think critically about what breeders say. Don’t take things at face value. And, if something feels wrong, turn away. I know it can seem like a mine-field, but it’s 100% worth it and good, ethical, breeders will appreciate the effort you’ve gone to.

I am really sorry for your loss - even after years, the passing of a much loved dog still hurts. It sounds like you did such a good job managing your DDogs condition, he was incredibly lucky to have you!

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LowMaintenance101 · 14/02/2025 13:29

@LandSharksAnonymous thank you so much for the advice - I really do appreciate it. We will definitley refer back to this when we make a start in finding a breeder.
Thank you also for your kind words - I miss him every single day.

Lovemyassistancedog · 14/02/2025 13:51

I don't have to worry about breeding because I got my dog, and will get my next dog, from a charity that places assistance dogs.

But it almost sounds like being picky about breeder and asking specific questions and having high standards about what you will or won't accept for things like health testing would actually be seen favourably by good breeders so they won't mind being questioned.

I'm so very glad there are good breeders and I wish that there was a regulatory body with the aim of improving the health and wellbeing of all dogs in the UK. We owe them so much.

LandSharksAnonymous · 14/02/2025 15:22

@Lovemyassistancedog 100%.

There’s a thread ATM where a breeder is being rude to OP - and she’s only being rude because OP is asking the right questions.

Honestly, the more a buyer wants to know about me and the dogs the happier I am! Bonus points if they ask to meet my rabble before they consider a pup!

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BeFluentNavyBee · 15/02/2025 09:45

@LandSharksAnonymous Hi OP, such an interesting thread and apologies if this has already been asked, but you mentioned that you don't sell to first time dog owners. How would a first time dog owner get their first dog then? Thank you! 😊

LandSharksAnonymous · 15/02/2025 11:24

@BeFluentNavyBee So there are loads of breeders that will sell to first time owners - including some absolutely excellent breeders of Goldies that I know. So, you'd just need to go about doing it the way I said above - researching breeders and speaking to them (and be prepared to do it months before you want the puppy - good breeders often do not need to advertise) and picking the breeder that's right for you.

I have nothing against first time owners, but I am very fortunate in that because my mum bred before I did I've always had a wait list - which means I can be, and am, incredibly picky about who I sell a puppy to.

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argyllherewecome · 17/02/2025 20:33

the cost of sperm

Eh, so do you breed using AI? I thought you paid a sire and gave them some alone time during her season? Have I got that totally wrong?

EmpressaurusKitty · 17/02/2025 20:46

When screening owners, do you discuss whether they might want to breed from their puppy, and the pros and cons of neutering?

Scampuss · 17/02/2025 22:26

argyllherewecome · 17/02/2025 20:33

the cost of sperm

Eh, so do you breed using AI? I thought you paid a sire and gave them some alone time during her season? Have I got that totally wrong?

Also wondering about this!

My mum bred one litter (never again!), back in the early 80s, and travelled quite a way to take our dog to the stud who had been brought over from Germany. I would imagine that AI is far less stressful all round for the mum dog.

LandSharksAnonymous · 18/02/2025 09:15

@argyllherewecome yep. I use AI for my puppies. As @Scampuss has said, it’s far less stressful for them and also gives me greater control over timings and what dog I use. For example, my chosen sire for my next litter is currently in Italy - trying to get him
over here would be a logistical nightmare unless he’s on tour…AI is just easier!

@EmpressaurusKitty I don’t sell pups with an endorsement (which means if they did breed the pups could never be registered) and make it clear that the dogs aren’t to be used for breeding. I can’t stop them - but it’s part of the reason why I am so careful about who I sell to. Just because a dog has a lovely temperament and good health scores doesn’t mean they should be bred from.

I do recommend the puppies are spayed or neutered once old enough - if only because other male dogs tend to take against intact male dogs and it can, and does, get nasty. IMO all bitches should be neutered - watching an unspayed bitch go through a phantom pregnancy is horrible and I don’t think anyone should want to run the risk of putting their dog through that. I obviously can’t force people, but I do highlight the risks.

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argyllherewecome · 18/02/2025 13:35

OP how is the sperm extracted from the dog? Does someone physically have to masturbate it, or what?

IMO all bitches should be neutered

But you breed from yours? How else would breeds continue?

argyllherewecome · 18/02/2025 16:32

argyllherewecome · 18/02/2025 13:35

OP how is the sperm extracted from the dog? Does someone physically have to masturbate it, or what?

IMO all bitches should be neutered

But you breed from yours? How else would breeds continue?

Was very curious about this and just watched a youtube video of a breeder giving his XL bull mastiff a right ole tug. To say I'm traumatized is an understatement!

LandSharksAnonymous · 18/02/2025 16:35

@argyllherewecome Imeant bitches not being bred from (and obviously that should be done ethnically and maximum once per bitch).

As far as AI goes, you’ll find some very helpful videos on YouTube - including commentary on the process and how ethical etc it is 😊No one should be touching their dog the way you have described - that’s borderline beastiality tbh.

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Glitchymn1 · 14/03/2025 08:20

@LandSharksAnonymous Is your rule of not letting a pup go to a household with a child under ten set in stone?
You sound like a responsible breeder 👏🏻

Do you have a current waiting list for your 2025 litter?
and can I go on it please lol🙈 I can see you don’t let pups go to homes with children under 10, is this set in stone IF they’ve owned the breed before? I’m guessing it’s because of their bitey/challenging phase, it can be a handful. Good on you OP.

LandSharksAnonymous · 14/03/2025 12:35

Hi @Glitchymn1 - It's fairly firm. I know of several breeders who have had pups returned at 5/6/7 months by owners who just under-estimated how hard it is having a puppy and a small child/children.

Being completely (and brutally) honest, I have (so far) had enough interest that it's not really something I've had to show flexibility on & there are enough good breeders who do sell to people with younger children that I don't think I'll likely change my mind anytime soon!

I do have a wait list, but it is full and has been for a while now! I have 'confirmed', myself (I'll keep a bitch) and then another three who have expressed interest in a future pup - likely from my 2027 litter - who will get first refusal on any 'extra' pups in this litter.

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Glitchymn1 · 14/03/2025 15:12

@LandSharksAnonymous That is a shame 🙈 DD is soon to be 9 and we’ve had one before. She was a baby and he was, hmm I think about 6 so he had calmed down a bit by then.
I know it can be challenging, my Lab pup was a true landshark in every sense of the word and a little devil at that age! lol I wouldn’t have changed him for the world. Best dog I’ve ever had in my life. We all miss him so much.

Strewth a waiting list for the 2027 litter! That’s impressive! Gorgeous dogs.

RunningJo · 14/03/2025 17:17

Appreciate this is an old-ish post but it’s been so interesting & so good to hear from a reputable breeder who does health checks and chooses the right people for the puppies.
I’ve been lucky with all my dogs in that the breeders were all good. But I did a LOT of research every time.
You’re right ref the job interview comment! . There should definitely be questions from both sides.
One breeder many years ago, said if potential owners didn’t ask to meet the adult dogs they were an instant no, and anyone who had young children they couldn’t control was also a no 🤣

Too many people don’t look into dog ownership and can’t see past the cute puppy pictures they see online. We need more breeders like you who want what’s best for their puppies, and if that means saying no to a potential owner, then so be it.

LandSharksAnonymous · 15/03/2025 10:52

@RunningJo 100%! I’ve said no to people for the same reason - and one even had the balls to ask me if my other dogs could be shut in a different room when they viewed the pups! I very politely said I didn’t think I was the right breeder for them. No one comes into my house to view pups and asks two of the dogs be locked away. They didn’t even make it through the first phone call…

@Glitchymn1 I have to confess that 4 of the people/families who are on my current waitlist have already bought pups from me. One woman used to buy her Goldies from my mum when she still bred and she currently has the litter mate of the bitch (5 now) who I’ll be breeding from this summer!

Retrievers are the perfect dog IMO! I hope you find a pup!😀there’s nothing better than a big, slobbery, furry cuddle after a bad day at work

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Lovemyassistancedog · 15/03/2025 19:49

I've continued to enjoy this thread. Thank you for answering everyone's questions.

Edit: swapped wrong word

MaryGreenhill · 15/03/2025 20:00

Why on earth did the whippet win Crufts ?