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I'm a Jewish Israeli, AMA

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israelilefty · 20/12/2023 16:34

Jewish Israeli here. I grew up in a different country but have lived and worked most of my adult life here, living a fairly normal everyday life in northern Israel. When I'm not working, I enjoy cooking and hiking, I'm religiously observant (but also feminist), I'm on the left of the political spectrum, and have everyday contact with people from quite a range of different perspectives - Israeli society is incredibly diverse.

I guess I see us portrayed in a kind of monolithic way in the English-language media, so I'm taking a deep breath and posting here...

Feel free to AMA, just remember you're asking a real person, not a government or military spokesman :) I'll try to answer from my personal standpoint. as long as it's asked in good faith.

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israelilefty · 20/12/2023 22:37

WashingAt30 · 20/12/2023 21:24

Hi OP, I want to start by thanking you for being open to questions like this.

You mentioned you were born in another country and moved to Israel. Sorry if this seems like a stupid question, but why did you want to move to Israel? I'm not religious, so obviously the religious aspect doesn't mean so much to me, so I find it hard to understand moving to a country where life seems so much more dangerous for it's inhabitants. Where rockets, air raid shelters and conscription are a part of everyday life, and there is a very real threat to life from a neighbouring local population. I can't imagine ever wanting to move from a safe western country to that. Obviously you have your religious beliefs, but I also understand that many secular Jews also make the move. There must be some pretty huge positives to outweigh the negatives?

Many thanks for answering.

I studied in Israel before I moved here so I had a lot of friends already here and experienced living here. Really, it's not so dangerous on a day to day level, and there are many things which are safer here than in Western countries (like as a woman I can walk pretty much anywhere at any time of night...)

I loved living in Israel so looked for a job here and was lucky to land one. Top things for me:

Amazing society. Israelis are incredible people: diverse, energetic, sociable, caring, frank, generous. Of course Israeli society has its problems and idiots like any society, but in general it's a place where people really do feel obliged to look after one another. Reading MN posts, I don't think this happens to the same degree in the UK and US.

Jewish life. Aside from not having to "fight" the Jewish calendar always clashing with the Western work calendar, for me personally it's incredible to be part of a revitalism of Jewish religion and culture which simply isn't happening in the same way outside Israel.

Amazing country - incredible nature and history. And don't forget the weather, Mediterranean beaches, fresh fruit and veg...

I probably forgot a lot of things but those are some of them.

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therealcookiemonster · 20/12/2023 22:38

@israelilefty thank you for making this thread. I have so many questions for you! but will try and be selective about what I ask

firstly, I am glad you are safe and appreciate that voices such as yours are much needed.

  1. I read a little about the protests in tel aviv recently and ongoing protests before oct 7. could you tell us little more about how the people you know (especially those of your friends who may be more right wing) are seeing the future in terms of long term political development and evolution of the knesset I.e. are they happy with current policies(not just the conflict generally) and how will the people push for political change (apart from protests)?
  2. how are the Ethiopian Jews treated now in Israel? I know they have faced racism in the past... is this something that is actively being addressed?
israelilefty · 20/12/2023 22:40

Parkingt111 · 20/12/2023 21:22

@israelilefty hello and thank you so much for starting this thread. Alot of questions have already been answered so I would please like to ask do most shops and facilities shut for shabbos? And if yes then is it difficult for those who are not observing?

Also on a light hearted note what is the thing you would miss the most about Israel if you went to live somewhere else?
And what is your favourite food?
Thank you 😊

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I'd miss all the things I listed in the previous reply :) Especially the slightly insane pace of life and Israeli society.

Favourite food - I don't really have one. Probably a good "Israeli breakfast" - huge array of omelette, cheeses, salads and breads.

Are shops and facilities closed on Shabbat (the Sabbath) yes, mainly, other than non-kosher restaurants and some convenience stores. I think that the main thing that affects non observant people is that there is almost no public transport on Shabbat. There are a lot of campaigns to change this but opposition from strictly religious Jews and their political representatives.

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Rocket1982 · 20/12/2023 22:40

How do most Israelis view Israel's restrictions on aid to Gaza? Do they appreciate that has exacerbated the humanitarian crisis created by the bombing? Do they think aid restrictions are wrong?

Parkingt111 · 20/12/2023 22:45

@israelilefty thank you so much for answering. I follow one Jewish influencer on social media who does weekly preps and calls it shabbos hence i spelt it like that
Could that be because of a different dialect? So in Arabic there are many many different dialects, is it the same for Hebrew?

Picoloangel · 20/12/2023 22:48

israelilefty · Today 22:16

Argh, so, I tried to go to bed then realised that I want to write one very personal post in response to the questions about what's going on in Gaza, whether one life is more valuable than another, and so on. I hope you will appreciate that this is a very raw and honest post that it's very hard to write, but I hope it gives some kind of an answer. I really don't want to get into conversation about the below, but it's important for me to say:

For some context: I'm on the left of Israeli politics. For reasons I can't go into without outing myself, I know Palestinian society and politics pretty well. I've read Mahmoud Darwish, Mourid Barghouti and Ghassan Kanfani, and I've demonstrated against the occupation, a lot of times. I believe that nobody, Israeli or Palestinian, is going anywhere and we need to find a way to live on this land that respects the lands and aspirations of both peoples.

But: like all Israelis, since 7.10 I've been living in a state of shock. Even in my personal circle of friends, the impact of this conflict is ungraspable: how many people are displaced from their homes and have lost family members and loved ones. The utter shock of living through a period of national crisis where for a few days, the state just fell apart. Trying to do all the regular routines of normal life while refreshing the news to figure out whether the rockets have reached your area or not, where you can donate blood. Everywhere you turn you are reminded that well over 100 hostages, some of them friends of friends, remain in Gaza; and every day the news brings horrors which were simply.... unimaginable. And all of that is just my life which, compared to many other Israelis, is relatively unaffected by the conflict.

That's all context to say three things. First: I know what's going on in Gaza. I read the news. Second, and I mean this in a real way, not in any way a callous way: I don't have good answers to your questions because it's simply impossible for the heart to hold more. When you ask an individual caught up in a conflict to hold the losses of the other side in their heart, you are asking something that is beyond the human capacity. A while back someone asked about social media posts. One thing I've noticed more than anything in this conflict is how little Israelis have been posting. We don't even have words for our own grief, let alone the grief of others. The time will come for that. I respectfully ask any of you who have not experienced violent conflict first hand to bear in mind that it's a privilege to be able to sit outside the "frame" and weigh up the situation. So: I try to keep up with the news but at the same time, I don't have good answers to your questions, because it feels like a grim situation with no good outcome: attacking Hamas has a devastating death toll, but a ceasefire which leaves Hamas's military capacity intact leaves them able to do something like 7.10 again. Third: even if I did have a good answer for you, it wouldn't make any difference. For some reason I don't think Netanyahu and the IDF chief of staff are consulting Mumsnet. I strongly believe that I need to invest every effort into making any influence that I can that might prevent such conflicts happening again, but while it's happening, it feels like a massive ball is rolling down a mountain: the conflict is playing out and all I can do is watch from the side - and since I'm a religious person, to pray that we may move closer to a peaceful situation, both in the short and long term

This is such a considered response. I completely agree that what is going on in your country - and before 7/10 - is unimaginable to us. I feel so frustrated that so many Israelis were murdered, raped, displaced and where was the outrage? Instead there was a sense in some parts of the media - and the UN - that this was somehow deserved. In less than 100 years we have gone from the post Holocaust of “this must never happen again” to there being widespread antisemitism.

I cannot imagine life in the midst of such a complex and sensitive ongoing conflict. How ever much I read, whatever I study and research I’m just not qualified to express a strong opinion on this because it’s not the same as living it.I feel all mainstream media has an agenda - the left leaning broadsheets peddle an agenda just as much as the right wing tabloids do. There is an embracing of left leaning journalism as somehow true; it isn’t necessarily.

I think it’s very brave of you to post this OP and to put your head above the parapet to answer questions about an intensely personal, painful and complex period in the history of your country and community.

I’m not Jewish but over the years she has many Jewish friends and associates. I’m appalled by what’s happening and the casual antisemitism that’s been increasing for years.

ticketstickets · 20/12/2023 23:04

Parkingt111 · 20/12/2023 22:45

@israelilefty thank you so much for answering. I follow one Jewish influencer on social media who does weekly preps and calls it shabbos hence i spelt it like that
Could that be because of a different dialect? So in Arabic there are many many different dialects, is it the same for Hebrew?

yes, shabbos is the ashkenazi way of pronouncing hebrew. Shabbat is the sefardic way which how modern hebrew is spoken.

hebrew was used as a written language and language of prayer (mostly) for 2000 years or so before Ben Yehuda revived it as a spoken language, for some reason the sefardic proncounciation was chosen.

more here https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3549013/jewish/The-Difference-Between-Sepharadic-and-Ashkenazic-Pronunciation.htm

WashingAt30 · 20/12/2023 23:05

Thank you for answering my question. You are clearly a thoughtful and compassionate person, I hope you can get some sleep now.

ticketstickets · 20/12/2023 23:07

Yemenite Jews read hebrew a whole different way as well. :)

Parkingt111 · 20/12/2023 23:10

@ticketstickets thanks alot

Efacsen · 20/12/2023 23:40

Excellent thread - thank you OP

BébéCadum · 20/12/2023 23:50

Thank you so much for this thread and especially your words at 22:16 @israelilefty Shalom aleichem.

lostonmars · 21/12/2023 00:06

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Here we go. How is anything that happened before relevant to what happened on 7/10?

lostonmars · 21/12/2023 00:09

Auvergne63 · 20/12/2023 20:37

Are you aware that 20,000 civilians (14 000 of those being children and women) have died so far? Do you believe that a government has the right to starve a entire people as well as to deprive them of water and medicine, in the name of self-defence?
Is this morally right? Can this ever be justified?

Are you aware that none of that would be happening if it wasn't for Hamas?

tescocreditcard · 21/12/2023 00:11

Does Israel have nuclear weapons?

MissConductUS · 21/12/2023 00:42

tescocreditcard · 21/12/2023 00:11

Does Israel have nuclear weapons?

Not that they’ll admit to, but yes.

Ketzele · 21/12/2023 01:49

Great thread, OP.

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israelilefty · 21/12/2023 04:24

therealcookiemonster · 20/12/2023 22:38

@israelilefty thank you for making this thread. I have so many questions for you! but will try and be selective about what I ask

firstly, I am glad you are safe and appreciate that voices such as yours are much needed.

  1. I read a little about the protests in tel aviv recently and ongoing protests before oct 7. could you tell us little more about how the people you know (especially those of your friends who may be more right wing) are seeing the future in terms of long term political development and evolution of the knesset I.e. are they happy with current policies(not just the conflict generally) and how will the people push for political change (apart from protests)?
  2. how are the Ethiopian Jews treated now in Israel? I know they have faced racism in the past... is this something that is actively being addressed?

In general the protests represented a right-left political split though it was clear before Oct 7 that a majority of Israelis did not support Netanyahu's proposed judicial reform. The right wing coalition has lost even more support during the war. I think most people expect elections in 2024 and for Benny Gantz to form a centrist coalition. I think this is probably the right step for political change. The left doesn't have enough votes to form the coalition but could be a partner.

I can't answer in depth about Ethiopian Jews as I don't live in an area where many live so I don't know the population well. I know that there are initiatives, for example in education, to offer scholarships and support at university to try to support populations in Israel including Ethiopians who are underrepresented. At the same time, I know that, like Black people in many places, Ethiopians also face racism.

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israelilefty · 21/12/2023 04:26

tescocreditcard · 21/12/2023 00:11

Does Israel have nuclear weapons?

Allegedly, but surprisingly enough, as a random civilian, I don't have any information about them ;)

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israelilefty · 21/12/2023 05:00

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  1. As someone who identifies with the political left, of course I'm not happy to see the influence of the ultra-right. I think that in terms of direct political power this can be easily reversed. The proportional representation system in Israeli politics means it's easy for small parties to gain disproportionate influence as they are the "kingmakers" for the coalition. What can't be reversed as easily is the racist populist sentiment they represent. This is a big job for education and civil society as well as for lawmakers, and Oct 7 doesn't make it easy for most Israelis to trust Palestinians which makes it easier for the far right to spread their messages. However, polls consistently show that most Israelis are looking for a more moderate government.
  2. On an everyday level, yes. First of all, the current coalition has been hugely detrimental, and on the left side, parties like Meretz and Avodah will take a stand against damaging policies and settler violence. However, it's impossible to predict how the bigger picture of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will play out after this war, and it will depend on international initiatives and internal Palestinian politics as well as on political developments in Israel.
  3. In general I see it as an obligation to stay and fight for a more democratic and equal society.
  4. I don't think Hamas can be eliminated because it is an ideology, but military action can limit the threat it poses to Israel and International intervention can make sure that they are no longer in power after this war. I believe removing Hamas from power is important for Gazan civilians as much as it's important for Israel because Hamas's power has been a disaster for them, both in terms of repressive internal policies and lack of economic development, and of course in terms of the conflict with Israel.
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israelilefty · 21/12/2023 05:10

TomeTome · 20/12/2023 20:50

How many Jewish people lived in the region before Isreal was formed?

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-and-non-jewish-population-of-israel-palestine-1517-present

Regarding the wider region, at the time of the foundation of the state of Israel, around 900,000 Jews lived in the Arab world and Iran. Almost all of these Jews were forced to leave after 1948, most to Israel.

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israelilefty · 21/12/2023 05:11

I think I've caught up with the questions I haven't yet answered (aside from some that others answered or can be googled), but if I forgot any feel free to repost.

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israelilefty · 21/12/2023 05:48

RogersOrganismicProcess · 20/12/2023 21:28

Thank you for starting this thread. Is there any news on Naama Levy? My heart goes out to all of those who were killed or taken hostage, but she stands out in my mind. I hope she will be released back to her family soon.

Another child who stands out on my mind was the little Palestinian girl alone in a hospital bed. The juxtaposition of childhood innocence and war.

What is the general feeling about the impact of the war on Palestinian children and babies? Do people feel their suffering and death is justifiable? If so what makes one life more/less valuable than another?

Naama Levy is still held hostage by Hamas. Regarding your other questions see my post of 22:16 last night.

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Changedmymind99 · 21/12/2023 05:54

Such a great thread.

There has been some frustrations from the Israeli directed toewards Ireland and the Irish government for speaking out early against the war.

what’s the populist opinion on the Irish?

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