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Recovering heroin addict - AMA

109 replies

GeidiPrimes · 26/11/2020 15:30

I think there's still a fair few misconceptions around addiction, I know this because I was an intravaenus addict for most of my adult life. From the age of 21 I was heroin-addicted, interspersed with prescribed methadone. Late 30s I ceased heroin, relying only on my methadone script and it took me ten years to gather the bottle to taper off that. I became completely opiate-free in May this year.

I'm (selfishly) doing this as a sort of marker for me, so I can recognise the steps I've taken, if that makes sense? So curiosity most welcome.

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whataboutbob · 26/11/2020 20:28

Firstly very well done, I hope coming here doesn’t stir up painful memories too much or put you at risk of craving the drugs again.
I’m interested in how your diet and digestive system were affected ( I’m a dietitian). Did it get harder to manage meals with the delayed stomach emptying you get with opiates? Is it true that methadone causes sugar cravings? Any other food related challenges you can share?

GeidiPrimes · 26/11/2020 20:42

CorianderQueen I don't really want to sound like an ad for heroin, but it was the best thing I'd ever felt. All insecurities, anxieties and hang-ups melted away, they used to sell the stuff as a panacea in days gone by, sold as some sort of "health tonic". It took me a long time to realise that this stuff was not my friend.

Frequency, I'm sorry you've lost people too. If only people knew that getting clean is more attainable than we realise, but it seems impossible when you're entrenched in it. Replacing addiction - I could so easily replace it with food (have done before) but I channel all that need into being as fit/healthy as I can. One of the things I liked about heroin is that it made my body a more comfy place to be and I realised I can achieve that by building muscle etc. I'm not a sport-billy or anything though! I did become alcohol addicted for a number of years (concurrent with the methadone) and yes, I'd agree that many cross addict to alcohol.

Not physically addicted from 1st use Suzi888, that takes weeks/months, but I couldn't wait to get some more - the difference being I wouldn't have felt unwell without it at that point. Heroin doesn't give any hangover-like effects. I think I slept for 16 hours after first use!

Hi Understand123, yay another recovering addict! I'm sure you've been through a lot too, I think we're all attempting to medicate pain/trauma away. The highest dose I was ever prescribed was 80ml, but didn't want to get comfy with that large amount, so reduced down to 30ml in the first year. I then stayed on that dose for 10 years(!) I think I'd have tackled it sooner, but my dh died around that time and everything seemed a bit pointless for a while.

I've spoken about treatment services a bit upthread yelyah22, I am particularly fond of my keyworker, and she was instrumental in my recovery. Prior to her I'd been extremely resistant to coming off methadone, but she helped me to see I could take it in lots of tiny steps, which made it seem more attainable to me. I pretty much owe that wonderful woman my life.

Trauma, definitely gypsywater. My own parents were abusive in some quite horrible and disgusting ways, I then went on to choose abusive/violent men over and over again. The drug allows you to live with the trauma, but it's all still there when you put the drug down. I have nothing to do with my surviving parent cptartapp because of the above.

You've all been so nice with your encouraging words, it's very much appreciated, thank you for the well-wishes as well as the Qs.

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LaBodDelMed · 26/11/2020 20:47

Another coming on to say well done Op.

Nackajory · 26/11/2020 20:52

Well done OP. I wish you the very best for your future Flowers

GeidiPrimes · 26/11/2020 20:54

It's funny you should say that whataboutbob, I am feeling a tad clammy!

Re digestive system, I barely ate when I was heroin-addicted, as it really kills the appetite. Crapping was a fortnightly ordeal (much constipation!) I didn't crave sugar as such, but would eat a lot of sugary food, mainly out of convenience/cheapness. I would drink a lot of hot chocolate, with loads of double cream added.

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SandysMam · 26/11/2020 21:05

This thread has really struck me for some reason. You sound really lovely OP.

bluejelly · 26/11/2020 21:12

Massive respect to you OP, well done 👏

OwlOne · 26/11/2020 21:17

Thank you for this thread. It's been fascinating.

Massive respect to you as well @GeidiPrimes I hope you enjoy all the time you have ahead of you now. Hope that doesn't sound strange.

OwlOne · 26/11/2020 21:27

Just reading that your parents were abusive @GeidiPrimes
My parents' parenting of me was pretty terrible and it is a difficult thing to just fix. I have found comfort in psychology, human behaviour, philosophy, the ''self-help'' genre (much maligned, but I never read a self help book by an author who doesn't have a phd!. Trying to get into meditation. I listen to hypnosis sessions over night as well.
So, bit of a ramble there, but what have you found to help you ? Or has just age and maturity and all the tough experiences you've lived through helped you feel less anxious now.

OwlOne · 26/11/2020 21:30

When you were reducing the methadone dose, how gradually did you reduce it? so so gradually like 2mls less each day? or even more gradually?

shouldhavecalleditoatabix · 26/11/2020 21:42

Do you think we should continue prescribing methadone/subutex?

I once met an addict while told me that they should ban the scripts because no addict can continuously get hold of heroin and (in her words) once you've clucked once or twice you won't keep using. In other words she believe it was the methadone that almost allows users to keep using.

GeidiPrimes · 27/11/2020 10:18

Morning Smile didn't sleep that well last night, it's been a while since I really gave all this some thought. I'm glad I did this AMA though, I can't get over how kind you've been, some lovely encouraging things said. It's still a novelty to wake up feeling well without having to swallow something to make me feel better.

I'm fairly obsessed with psychological stuff too OwlOne, I trained to become a counsellor, but I'm not really enough of a people person to be able to actually be one. I read "The subtle art of not giving a fuck" recently which I found useful. I'm trying with meditation, (that lovely zoned out feeling can be replicated) but my mind hasn't been the quietest place this year. I should practise more, thanks for reminding me.

I found pilates very helpful because it allows me to connect with my body, and feeling myself get physically stronger has become quite addictive - more of an ongoing buzz. My animals have helped me massively, and this may sound crazy but I learned a lot from them about good healthy relationships and loving selflessly. Animal therapy is a thing, Matty Healy from The1975 had addiction therapy with a horse!

I took my methadone taper at an absolute snails pace - I'd cut down only 1ml per week, and this made the taper very smooth. When I ceased altogether I felt a bit edgy.

shouldhavecalleditoatabix drug treatment services operate on a harm reduction basis, prescribing methadone/subutex allows the user to take less risks with a view to tapering off. Addicts find it hard to taper from heroin for many reasons (we lack discipline). Just out of interest, was the addict you spoke to in recovery? Because many addicts will have negative ideas about treatment services if they don't really want to engage and get clean. The pull of heroin is very strong, and people don't stop just because they can't get it. If that were the case then women wouldn't be forced into prostitution to pay for it. Also, obtaining heroin is easier than it's ever been, kids are trafficked all around the country to sell it.

BitOfFun I missed part of your question re. injection site injuries, I have a few! I nearly lost my little finger to gangrene after blowing the artery that fed it, and have a large holey scar either side of my groin. Having blood taken is usually a bit of an ordeal as I have no surface veins on my arms. Sorry, grim. On the plus side, I don't have many lines on my face as addicts are not known for their expressive faces.

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whataboutbob · 27/11/2020 11:54

Thanks for replying to my question Geidi. The constipation makes total sense as obviously opiates slow down gut motility.

BitOfFun · 27/11/2020 13:29

Tell me about it! I've never gone as long as a fortnight, only 4/5 days, but that was uncomfortable enough, thanks!

I'm prescribed fairly high doses of opiates to control my cancer pain (mainly in my bones), but I'm also taking ridiculous amounts of various laxatives alongside that. I hate having to take around 25 pills every day, but the medics know what they're doing, as I've got the right balance to be comfortable.

GeidiPrimes · 27/11/2020 13:40

Jesus, I bet that's so painful BOF. I'm sorry to hear that. Are you receiving palliative care only?

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cultkid · 27/11/2020 14:07

@GeidiPrimes

I have only taken it for two weeks but at full dose but have a full history of opiate

From codeine phosphate tramadol
Fentanyl
Also things like diazepam
CyclisinE

Gabapentin

I didn't know that
I was by far the worst
I've come out the other side now

A week of pure hell

Moving forward what about your pain? What do you do if you find yourself in severe pain?

cultkid · 27/11/2020 14:12

The rest of them I did short and snappy and wanted to die at the time but The dihydrocodone was at a level worse then months of oramorph and fentanyl for me

BitOfFun · 27/11/2020 14:15

Thanks, @GeidiPrimes- it took quite a while to get on top of the pain, but it's sorted now. I am under the palliative care team, but I'm also having monthly hormone-based injections to slow the spread, so that's treatment too.

TheQueef · 27/11/2020 14:16

Thanks for the reply Geidi
Sorry you were criminalised by the addiction Flowers and to end up inside is awful.

GeidiPrimes · 27/11/2020 14:45

I'm glad your pain is being managed BOF, I would most definitely be wanting all of the drugs. You're a brave woman Flowers

You've had to detox from so many drugs cultkid, that takes a lot of strength. Make sure you get all the right nutrients (in pill form if necessary)as drugs/detox can deplete so many. Re pain - I had a bulging disc last year that needed to be operated on, was agony for about a year. I was prescribed gabapentin as a last resort, (as you know, can be habit forming) then given a bottle of oramorph to leave hospital with after surgery. My initial reaction to that was "Yay, paartyyy!" but then the sensible bit of my brain immediately took over and used it as directed. I trust myself enough now I think.

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Tinselette · 27/11/2020 14:55

Geidi - I just wanted to say that I'm full of admiration for you Flowers

lazylinguist · 27/11/2020 15:09

Interesting thread, OP. Another admirer here - I doubt many have the strength to pull themselves back from where you were. Flowers

whataboutbob · 27/11/2020 15:48

@BitOfFun that constipation sounds really tricky. I’m stating the obvious here, but lots of fluids and fibre will help a bit ( for some reason fresh pineapple can work well) but there’s no doubt that with strong opioids laxatives will be necessary.

cultkid · 27/11/2020 16:12

GeidI

Today as I lay in bed at the end of the worst of this withdrawal
Reading your thread has seriously comforted me

Thank you
And well done

LittleEsme · 28/11/2020 09:11

Really humbling thread. I'm really glad you posted Thanks