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I’m a midwife AMA

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Doubleyouexwhyandzed · 16/02/2020 17:13

I’m a midwife, with 15 years experience. AMA Smile

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NemophilistRebel · 19/02/2020 08:58

The vbac midwife said that for some people to success rate is aroun 80% or so but it drops depending on each type of complication that led to a an EMCS last time

And so the few things that happened or didn’t happen with me meant it dropped to around 4% chance as it wasn’t as simple as previous breach baby which leads to higher chance of success the next time.

Spam88 · 19/02/2020 09:11

In both of my labours (one spontaneous, one induced) getting pain relief out of the midwives on the maternity ward has been like getting blood from a stone. Is there a reluctance to give pain relief at this stage or is it just down to understaffing?

thetoddleratemyhomework · 19/02/2020 10:58

I tried to post my labour story but it didn't work! Will try again later but my key query is whether you think that there is space for individualised care in the current system?

I felt that I was given very paint by numbers approach by midwives and doctors that wasn't really appropriate for me and was really a waste of resources.

I shall post properly later but basically I am a very tiny person, who had a 9lb 7 back to back baby who was put on an induction pathway, left (with a bit of monitoring) to get on with it by myself in a hospital room for 48 hours (which I did, my husband was fab and basically rubbed my back for 36 hours in between walking), then my waters were broken (at which point I was vomiting uncontrollably and throwing blood up into the sink) and was put on an IV line as my teeth were chattering and was very weak, then given a hard time for wanting an epidural, then monitored for 13 hours overnight, then told to push for 90 mins because I was dilated to 10cm (despite having no urge to push - I had let the epidural wear off by not pushing the button from 1am so was in agony and able to move but my concerns were dismissed), then reluctantly allowed to see a doctor who acknowledged that there was no way to get my baby out other than doing a section as baby was still too high and hadn't descended.

My baby had a 38cm head circumference and was back to back.

I have seen a consultant for the prolapse that was caused to me by the pushing and he acknowledged that I had poor care. I guess my query is to what extent you think that you are able to look at women as individuals in the current system - both in terms of assessing their likelihood of having a successful birth and helping to steer them towards the option that will be less problematic for them (for me, an early section would have avoided 3 days without sleep, a minor bladder prolapse and a massive haemorrhage) and in terms of looking at the individual and recognising that someone who has been in labour for 3 days with a back to back baby may have a different experience to someone who has been able to stay at home with a relatively quick early labour and come to the hospital for delivery?

Sorry if this sounds very snowflakey!!

yellowpolkadots101 · 19/02/2020 11:04

Hi thank you for starting this thread- I have a question! My mother had a horrendous birth with my sibling she was in labour 40+ hours which resulted in an emergency c section- due to the baby getting stuck in the birth canal. Overall it was a traumatic birth and she lost a lot of blood. She was told that due to the size and shape of her pelvis any future pregnancies would have to be carried out through a c section.

I plan to ttc without the next few months but I am really terrified that I may have the same problem, i was just wondering whether this a common issue and whether there was a way to determine the size and shape of the pelvis before you are due to give birth? I do have terrible anxiety and it is something that has worried me for a long time!

Thank you =)

lucy2204 · 19/02/2020 11:13

Hello been waiting for one of these threads!
I'm pregnant with 3rd baby
Both my 1st and 2nd babies were born svb at home!
1st 48mins and 2nd 8mins and I'm desprate for a home birth with a midwife this time around(partner delivered both our babies) but the hospital &midwife dont really seem interested in what I'm saying, is there anyway I can get them to actually listen to me? Any advice would be great!x

Panda368 · 19/02/2020 15:16

In your experience if a woman is GBS positive and wanted a birth centre/water birth would that be facilitated or if you have GBS would you automatically have to go to a labour ward?

I had a traumatic transfer between birthcentre/labour ward during my last delivery and ended up being forced onto my back and being held down while I delivered in stirrups - something that I had been terrified of happening throughout the whole pregnancy.

The idea of delivering on the labour ward on my back again makes me feel sick and until I had a random swab that picked up GBS I would have gone for a home birth. So is a birth centre possible with GBS and IV antibiotics?

thetoddleratemyhomework · 19/02/2020 16:29

@Doubleyouexwhyandzed

The other question I have is about your comments about feminism. Your brand of feminism seems to take the view that lots of doctors are old fashioned and take a particular view of women in birth that over medicalises them, which may well be true overall.

In my case, the midwives I encountered were very keen for me to labour naturally, but they were not very big on explaining choices or on choice at all and they were extremely reluctant to let me see a doctor when I knew things were not going so well.

In the Reports relating to the staffs scandal and the Morecambe bay scandal, one of the findings were that midwives were over zealous in promoting natural birth and/or referrals to MLUs that were inappropriate and women were not giving informed consent to MLU care.

Ultimately, if I hadn't asked to see a doctor, my midwives would have kept encouraging me to do something that was causing me harm, so I feel a bit jaded and this colours my views a bit. However, have you considered that some midwives, in their efforts to make birth a more natural less medicalised process, are too reluctant to get doctors involved and maybe overestimate the capacity of some births to proceed without more intense medical care? Do you think that midwives mistrust doctors and push a particular approach, or do some women just get unlucky?

There is a balance to be struck of course, but I am not sure that promoting easy natural birth equals feminism in all cases, whereas I think that promoting informed consent and individualised care does.

getouttahere · 20/02/2020 02:03

Thanks for doing this thread.

I had a placental abruption at 34 weeks at home. Ambulance took me to hospital and I had a crash csection under general anaesthetic. I remember collapsing due to low blood pressure and them waking me enough to consent me and run down the corridor with me. Not a lot else.

Baby was premature but fine and is now doing really well with no side effects.

My question is, how commonplace is placental abruption; how many have you had to deal with?

LoveIsLovely · 20/02/2020 02:23

What are your thoughts on noise during labour? My midwife kept telling me to stop wasting energy by screaming and just to hold the noise in.

She was a dick though.

Do you think it's possible to get over a traumatic labour? I can't think about mine without crying so I have just pushed the memories away. It makes me a little sad because I want to remember my son coming into the world but it was just so horrendous.

Doubleyouexwhyandzed · 20/02/2020 15:46

are putting a leg up on pool helping deliver the body- in some of the scenarios they probably aren’t a true shoulder dystocia but maybe a ‘tight fit’ where the shift in position helps deliver. Also, under the water we are hands off, and some babies need a little gentle traction to birth their bodies, which standing up out of the water makes possible. If a woman was on dry land and experienced a shoulder dystocia, the light traction would have already been tried, and the shifting a leg up position may not be so easily achieved by a mum who has already birthed their babies head, depending on their birth position.

Theatre staff- I really don’t know why we aren’t hotter on staff staying up the head end wherever possible. I’m thinking it’s a case of “what we do in theatre” for the staff there but definately worth challenging, particularly for things like putting the catheter in. I rarely venture into theatre but will definately look with fresh eyes next time.

Pemberley- sorry to hear this. I’m assuming maybe the extra people were part of the obstetric team, they often move in groups with a mix of senior to junior, learning from each other and providing care as a team. Everyone should be introducing themselves and their roles as much as possible though. I think some of these things may be related to hospital culture. Ours seems very hot on this.

I’m not sure about whether traumatic births are more frequent. We do see a broader range of complex health issues in our women these days so obesity/age/complex medical conditions likely play a part. We are also more litigation wary than ever before which probably leads to more intervention. I think historically women were more likely to accept awful ongoing implications of their births as part and parcel of childbearing, the number of women suffering ongoing urinary incontinance and not seeking help for years for example. Also women were less informed and less included in their care, seen as a patient who received care rather than an active participant in the process. Much like all aspects of healthcare I guess. We speak out more now, still not enough, but we are finding our voices as women and challenging the care we receive.

I’ve not attended any births where surrogacy featured but have cared for a surrogate mum in pregnancy. The arrangement seemed very positive for all concerned. It was challenging in a way as a midwife because I wanted to make sure that all parties were adequately supported and represented, but had very little access to the family who would be raising the child and felt they needed a more thorough care package really.

Cephalopelvic disproportion is a thing, but a rare thing. Years ago obstetricians thought it was much more common than it is, hence the attempts at measuring women’s pelvis’s and fretting over the size of their feet.
Ps you absolutely don’t have a rubbish pelvis. Maybe it’s not ideal for birth, but it’s doing an amazing job of keeping you upright.

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Hellohello2020 · 20/02/2020 16:07

I have a question about eating in labour. I was admitted to hospital after my waters broke on Sunday evening at 36 and a half weeks. Dr who checked me and did first monitoring said they'd want to induce me asap, when a room was free. Contractions started in the middle of the night in antenatal and I was admitted to labour ward about 8am when I was 3cm dilated. I was told I'm nill by mouth in case I need a c section, but I don't know why. I was induced 5pm with hormone drip and gave birth vaginally at 3am Tuesday. If I have another child, should I question the nill by mouth/ would a c section be any different if I wasn't starved? I was really low on energy by the time it was to push. I was allowed to eat just before being induced but could only manage a bite, as possibly quite far along as contractions were strong and they didn't keep checking my dilation.

Doubleyouexwhyandzed · 20/02/2020 16:11

Language and communication are massive in birth. Things we say and do are remembering forever, I’m acutely aware of something savage said to me by a midwife following my birth which still to this day stings and every time I see her I silently seethe.
I never EVER write ‘failure to’ in my notes. It’s so loaded and bloody awful. Quite antiquated. No one fails at birth. A lot of it is luck.

Annie9876 please seek support. Maybe try your health visitor? See if your hospital has a birth debrief/counselling service?

Lots of women go over the dates, it’s not uncommon, maybe the scan dates are a few days out, maybe that’s your normal gestation time. The reason obstetricians intervene is because the placenta function slowly decreases as you get further past your due date. Most people will likely go into spontaneous labour at some point but it’s balancing how long you wait versus those small risks.

There’s no reason you can’t have a waterbirth with waterproof monitoring if your hospital have it.

Cs postnatal Care- for me I think our postnatal services aren’t great nationally. Women are expected to bounce back so quickly. On the flip side, women are often desperate to go home really soon, probably to escape the hot noisy ward environment which is totally understandable. We have open birth partner hours at our hospital so your birth partner can stay 24/7 which helps provide a bit more support if home life/other children allow. Not ideal but what we really need is more midwives to provide more care but we have no funds in the NHS.

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Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 20/02/2020 16:15

Appogies if someone has asked the same or similar already, not go time at the moment to read through.
How long did it take you to qualify? How many hours do you work? What's your annual salary? And, what do you think of people going into midwifery at a later stage in life? I'm 30 at the moment, had kids young and do childminding to allow me to work but not pay for childcare. It's always something I've said I would love to do, but probably wouldn't be able to study for another couple of years.

NotwhereIshouldbe · 22/02/2020 17:26

Firstly, thank you for everything you do! I have a few questions: how often do you find umbilical cords wrapped around babies and does this cause any problems with the birth? During my pregnancy my baby was tracking at the 50th centile so I was expecting her to be 7lb 7oz when she was born. At my 36 week scan she measured 5lb 11oz and was born at 40 weeks weighing only 5lb 13oz. A friend who is a doctor thinks I may have had undiagnosed IUGR whereas when I spoke to a midwife she said the measurements at scans are not very accurate. How common is IUGR so late in a pregnancy?

cannotmakemymindup · 22/02/2020 18:09

Thanks for all your answers! I have been wondering some of these questions myself. Also recommendation to look up RCOG helpful plus an NHS pdf as I have found an article to do with my possible vbac also a 'failure' to progress. Although mine didn't concern me in that I didn't feel a failure. I just always blamed my baby for being to comfy.

However this is making feel like I'm going in with lots of helpful information. Have to see I think its 'birth choices' who'll assess how likely a VBAC is for me.

elliejjtiny · 23/02/2020 00:39

I think you all do an amazing job in what must be very stressful conditions.

What do you think about bounty reps selling stuff to women on postnatal wards?

Why are high risk women allowed to give birth at home but not on the midwife led unit that is a few metres away from the labour ward? Surely the midwife led unit would be safer?

Why are the facilities (en suite bathrooms, bigger rooms, comfy chairs etc) nicer on the low risk midwife units compared with the labour/postnatal wards?

Why don't women having c-sections get decent pain relief afterwards compared to other surgeries?

Why do midwives promote delayed cord clamping, skin to skin, being held by the mother and encouraged to feed straight away etc. Is it a big deal if this doesn't happen? Are premature/ill babies at a further disadvantage because they don't get this.

elliejjtiny · 23/02/2020 00:42

Forgot to add, what do you think of women who freebirth? Everyone I know/read about says how great it was but it sounds really dangerous to me.

RainMinusBow · 23/02/2020 00:48

Not sure if you have children yourself but if you personally were pregnant right now, what sort of birth would you choose and why?

I'm 26 weeks' with my third and really hoping for a home birth this time around Smile

SarahJane23456 · 23/02/2020 16:10

Hi

Why is it routine practice to induce women with DVT? I understand the argument is to manage coming off clexane, but I dont see how it helps - particularly on a first baby where the labour is unlikely to be quick. In addition a whole range of other risks are introduced by induction.

Do subsequent pregnancies require clexane? And is induction recommended? Would a home birth have increased risks?

Rlrhill · 15/05/2020 22:01

Hello I really hope you can answer a question for me, at my 20 week scan I was diagnosed with major placenta previa , completely covering my cervix I'm just wondering what are the chances of my placenta rising back up after 21 week I'm really worried x

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 15/05/2020 22:23

Do midwives genuinely not judge mothers who eff and blind their way through labour? Mine told me that nothing I said ('FUUUUCK! This fucking hurts. Bollocks! I've had enough. FUUUUCK!' on a loop for an hour) would go beyond the room.

I'm totally in awe of midwives, BTW. I had some brilliant births because of one particular midwife who was locally influential, and I remember those births with much happiness even though my DC are adults now.

indecisivewoman81 · 15/05/2020 22:35

Is it true that third births are the worse? This scares me a bit

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 16/05/2020 11:18

indecisive, my MWs told me that third babies were usually big with straightforward labours. My third was indeed my biggest and the labour was quick and uncomplicated. So don't panic...

indecisivewoman81 · 16/05/2020 13:01

@GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman thank you x

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