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Bobbiepin · 07/07/2018 21:01

Just that really, brought up (relatively) orthodox if that makes a difference.

Please note, I have an opinion on the situation in the Middle East but I don't believe that Zionism is a part of Judaism and don't really want this to turn into a discussion over Israel.

Also, I can answer to my knowledge of the faith and my experiences, others may have differing understanding and wouldn't agree with my opinion.

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Bobbiepin · 07/07/2018 23:51

I adore bagels, what do you put on yours? Always looking for ideas.

I'm afraid I'm quite typical and boring - egg & onion and smoked salmon & cream cheese. Look for a Jewish bakery and ask for 'baigels' not bagels. Far superior to store bought.

@mittensofsteel family secret I'm afraid, sorry. If you Google traditional Jewish chicken soup you'll find places to start. Alternatively kosher butchers will sell it, although it won't be as medicinal as the homemade stuff.

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Bobbiepin · 07/07/2018 23:53

Right everyone, I'm going to bed, I'll answer anything else in the morning - לילה טוב (good night).

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AlbusPercival · 08/07/2018 07:44

Why do you omit the o from god?

Bobbiepin · 08/07/2018 10:35

Why do you omit the o from god?

G-d's name is sacred and is never written down.

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AppleBlossomTimeNow · 08/07/2018 10:58

My dad's side of the family is Jewish, came to the uk in the 1800s. My surname is an Anglicised version of a Jewish name. I'd love to find out more - where might I start looking for a family tree? I always assumed records for immigrants/refugees would be v hard to track down. Thanks in advance & interesting thread x

Bobbiepin · 08/07/2018 11:38

Thank you @appleblossomtimenow, yes refugee and immigrant records can be difficult to trace but not impossible. If you have an idea of where your father's family came from that'll help. Genealogy records will be a good place to start. There are also holocaust charities that may be able to tell you if your family were in concentration camps, although if they all came over in the 1800s that's less likely. Good luck!

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PETRONELLAS · 08/07/2018 12:40

I love that phrase ‘long life’ my Jewish friends use when someone dies.

How much income is paid to belong to a synagogue? My Jewish neighbour is scathing about the local one wanting his money.

And can I read anywhere about why certain Jewish people look so similar. I’m NW London and see many people who look related - how is this? Sorry to be so ignorant.

MarklahMarklah · 08/07/2018 14:08

Thanks @Bobbiepin :)

@AppleBlossom - I have been doing some research on my own family tree and find ancestors living in Bethnal Green/Shoreditch in the late 1880s - although they were not Jewish, they did live in/among a community that was. If you have a surname/first name then you can do some free searches (on the LDS Family Search website) to see if you can locate them in that area, perhaps?

Bobbiepin · 08/07/2018 14:11

@petronellas its because life is for the living. The traditions around grieving are to help the mourner come to terms with the loss but then to continue with their lives. We don't visit graves for the first year after a death, until the stone setting. It helps the family gain some space and closure and when they are in a healthier place they can visit and remember.

Each synagogue is different but it's a few hundred pounds a year. The membership to a synagogue pays for your burial so it all comes around. When someone dies (All Jews have the same funeral) it is all taken care of by people who work with the synagogue so the mourners can grieve. The fees also pay for food after Shabbat services (known a kiddush) and all sorts of other things. A proportion also goes to charity.

As for Jews looking the same, it's probably more that their clothes are similar. Even religious NW London Jews seem to have a "uniform" of sorts so they will look similar but facially are quite different.

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spidey66 · 08/07/2018 14:19

Do the long side curls orthodox Jewish men have have a particular name?

Do Orthodox Jewish men find it difficult to talk to women outside their community? (For explanation, I work in the Stamford Hill area and have often found it difficult to talk to Jewish men as I have found they often struggle with eye contact etc and wondered if it is because I'm not Jewish )

Xenia · 08/07/2018 15:01

Wtih each generation is your family becoming less observant or has it levelled off do you think?

(The UK now has more people who don't believe in God than do for the first time I think since Christianity came here about 1500 years ago)

Do you think customs that were appropriate in deserts for food safety etc reasons 2000 + years ago should really be modernised? Jesus got fed up with all of what he felt were fairly pointless Jewish rules when the core moral requirements of love and being kind to others ought (he thought) to mean more than following a rule book.

I see loads of Jewish nepotism in business and have for over 20 years (I am not making this up) - much more than other faiths that I have worked with. is that counter productive and makes people look bad or should jewish people place business with other jewish people?

Scoopofchaff · 08/07/2018 15:27

Bobbypin iirc the late and great Rabbi Lionel Blue once mentioned on radio 4 something about a Jewish tradition relating to a Jewish grandmother's coffin being made from wood taken from the family's dining table. Have I remembered this correctly? Can you expand?

(As a (struggling) Roman Catholic whose family often gather around the table for lunch after Mass, this always struck me as a lovely tradition, and it stuck in my mind.)

Why do you think there is not more practical interaction between faiths (fund-raising/community projects?)

NotARegularPenguin · 08/07/2018 15:43

I grabbed a Jewish girl on the tube once to stop her from falling over. She was with an older woman and another girl and I think they were quite orthodox of some form....maybe Hasidic? They were wearing formal clothes, can’t quite remember what but black and white. The girl was stood up and reading from a small book in a foreign language when the tube stopped suddenly.

I always wondered if I committed a faux pas by touching her. She didn’t speak to me but gave me a quick smile and looked away.

NotARegularPenguin · 08/07/2018 15:46

Oh and do you have a Jewish oven and fridge? Would you use a lift on the sabbath?

My oven has a Jewish mode!

Bobbiepin · 08/07/2018 15:53

Do the long side curls orthodox Jewish men have have a particular name?

They are called peyot and come about as men are forbidden from shaving below their cheekbones. They are long sideburns that naturally fall separate from their beards.

Do Orthodox Jewish men find it difficult to talk to women outside their community?

I can't speak for everyone but some very Orthodox men prefer to keep themselves to their communities. Conversely, others feel it is important to integrate and educate others about the faith so are more than happy to talk to others. It's an individual thing.

Wtih each generation is your family becoming less observant or has it levelled off do you think?

My family, yes that possible although we still keep the same core values. As for others, I think if you live in a very Jewish community it is easier to keep the faith. For example if you live outside these communities there are fewer places to get kosher meat.

Do you think customs that were appropriate in deserts for food safety etc reasons 2000 + years ago should really be modernised?

If you read my post above about Kashrush and food safety, actually no I think it is still relevant. As for your point about Jesus, that's why Christianity was developed - if you don't agree with the principles of Judaism you are free to make your own choices but that doesn't mean we should change thousands of years of tradition. As it stands, looking after your fellow man is highly important in Judiasm. A core principle is Tikkun Olum (saving the world) it dictates that you must do everything to save a life, including breaking every religious law. If you save a life, it is equivalent to saving the world. It's part of the reason why so many doctors are Jewish.

Considering the high levels of anti semitism we have experienced you can understand why people want to work with people you know and trust. It's not my place to decide whether it makes the faith "look bad" (it sounds as though you have made your mind up about that). It's a huge stereotype though, one that in my experience is not accurate. I've never seen or benefited from my friends or family in my career or otherwise. Everything I have and own is through my own hard work. No bank of mum and dad loan to get my mortgage either.

@scoopofchaff that's a lovely tradition but it may be a family one, I've not heard of that before. It sounds silly but Jewish families tend to be quite large so we would need a fair few tables eventually. All coffins are made from wood and have rope handles. It's all basic and all the same. Man should be equal in birth and death. Where the wood comes from, I guess could be flexible.

Why do you think there is not more practical interaction between faiths?

My community regularly work with other faith groups, and there are youth groups for Jewish kids that work with Church groups and even a specific interfaith NCS for teenagers. I think if you look for it, it is there but more community cohesion would always be a good thing. It's definitely all our responsibility to make this happen.

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Bobbiepin · 08/07/2018 15:58

I always wondered if I committed a faux pas by touching her.

Are you female? If so it wouldn't be a problem but there's a chance she may not speak English. I'd take a smile as reassurance you did the right thing. Lots of Jews holiday in London so she easily could have been a tourist.

We literally just got a new oven so it's possibly but we've not actively bought one for that purpose. I'm not shomre shabbos (observant of Shabbat) so I'm happy to do most things on Shabbat.

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Bobbiepin · 08/07/2018 16:00

I know some people who stick tape over the sensor on the fridge so the light doesn't go on when they open it. If something is on before shabbos then it's ok to use it (putting lights on in the winter, or an oven on low to keep food warm for example) but turning it on and off during Shabbat isn't ok.

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GorgonLondon · 08/07/2018 16:03

I'm also Jewish and would answer a lot of these questions differently!

That's all good though. You know the saying, two Jews, three opinions.

NotARegularPenguin · 08/07/2018 16:04

Yes I’m female. Thanks. She really would have gone flying if I hadn’t grabbed her!

Bobbiepin · 08/07/2018 16:14

@gorgonlondon absolutely. As I said in my OP I can't speak for everyone but happy to share my knowledge and experience.

@notaregularpenguin then you did a mitzvah (a good deed).

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Scoopofchaff · 08/07/2018 16:23

Thanks for answering my questions Bobbiepin! Maybe that grandmother was just a particularly good cook!

I like the idea of plain wooden coffins as it happens; and all being equal etc.

Yes thiinking about it there are a few inter-faith projects going on in my sister's rc parish in UK. Sadly, not many in the (continental European) parish where I live. Got one going but it petered out after less than a year owing to lack of volunteers.

halfwitpicker · 08/07/2018 16:40

Do you believe Judaism to be a race, or a religion?

Very interesting thread BTW.

Bobbiepin · 08/07/2018 16:48

@scoopofchaff its all quite reassuring. When my grandfather died I knew exactly what would happen at his funeral. It's because of my experience but I don't like secular funerals. I understand that people want to celebrate life and remember their loved one but I don't believe spending hundreds on flowers etc is necessary. I would imagine there is a lot of guilt involved with picking things like coffins - if you went for a cheap one does that mean you don't love the person as much?

Do you believe Judaism to be a race, or a religion?

It's a religion. Race is determined by where you come from. I am British because I was born here, as were my parents and grandparents.

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Scoopofchaff · 08/07/2018 16:59

Yes that makes a lot of sense Bobbiepin

slippermaiden · 08/07/2018 17:06

I'm loving this thread! I feel drawn to the Jewish I think because it's so old! My children's school had a trip to the local synagogue and I volunteered. The guys who showed us round were so lovely, each child learned so much, and we all got to try and blow the ram's horn! I have looked after a baby of an ultra orthodox family, and their attitude to us and his care was amazing, it was a real privilege to know them.