The kind of “girl” that a boy who identifies as a girl thinks he is

Do you know them personally?

I suppose since she has pretended that her son was a girl from a young age, he never went through puberty and was castrated on his 16th birthday, it's all he's ever known. Is that what you mean by "definitely trans"?

Do I think that transphobic, male phobic and female phobic parents could create a gender conflicted child.

Yes of course they can.

This reply indicates that you have little to no understanding of where those of us who critique trans ideology from a feminist perspective are coming from. The sneery “all the precious women and children” is also very revealing.

Well! This thread has been like catnip to our resident TRA interruptarons. I count four so far - all desperate in their own way to convince us that there are trans children as young as 4 and that we should totally affirm this.
Coming out with such utter nonsense as "the brain body map tells them" (not how that works at all - the brain maps the body you have not the body you think you should have) and the inevitable "but some people are intersex"
And "they just know, all right!"

It's not ok to confuse and mislead children in a way that leads them to eventually pump their bodies with dangerous drugs and mutilate themselves with "gender affirming surgery"
Those posters on here who are trying to justify this horrendous cruelty with ridiculous word salads, debunked "science" and emotional blackmail are the lowest of the low

You do not affirm a fucking four year old boy who tells you he's a girl. What the Hell is WRONG with you? He's a CHILD he'll believe you.

Mushroomcat judges you and so do I.

No it was about her husband being a transphobe. It's all available in their own words even though they have tried to remove them from the internet. I read the originals with my jaw dropping that this pair of transphobic parents could have become so influential in Mermaids.

Her husband was homophobic. He couldn't stand the thought of a little boy playing with 'girl toys'.

One can ‘affirm’ that someone holds a particular belief, that doesn’t mean one agrees with that belief.
Many people with dementia believe that they can see scary things that are not there - it’s a common symptom. Doctors will treat their fears with anti psychotic drugs. If a 5 year old girl has somehow got the idea that she’s really a boy, the adults around her should be reassuring her that she is, indeed, a girl.

Trans people are simply trans. Investigating why is missing the point.

Trans - and detrans - people are individuals, all deserving of respect. She can answer that question herself.

Call me an old stick-in-the-mud, but I’m of the opinion we should be clear about what is being treated before we sterilise children, remove their fertility, cut off their breasts, or take them to Thailand for genital surgery on their 16th birthday.

“Simply trans” doesn’t cut it, and anyone who thinks it does should not have a say in the care of children. It’s the core of this as a scandal that doctors in leading paediatric institutions have taken “simply trans” as enough to justify the treatments they’ve given. And no one can even explain it.

Yes sorry, I used the wrong word in haste.

Phew! That’s a relief.

Should read homophobe not transphobe. He preferred to believe he had a girl than to risk having a gay boy.

Should read homophobic not transphobic.

Your cat looks like Salem from Sabrina the Teenage Witch. I am imagine being judged in his voice.

Sloppy attempt at guilt-tripping.

Plato's cave allegory makes more sense.

People with CAIS are male. They are often raised as female and it may not be diagnosed until these males fail to have periods or breasts as teens.

Mushroomcat is amused by your comparison and thanks you.

Clinically there is no such thing as a trans child. All the diagnoses are for adults.

I saw a child, a girls aged about 8 or 9 on a dog lead yesterday. She and her mum were pretending she was a dog and I hear her mum say, if you’re a good doggy you’ll get biscuits when we get home.

And it was a fun game.

But if that child had said she was a boy and her mum had initially played along and eventually said, no you’re not, this would be treated as a crime under the proposed Conversion Therapy Bill. But a mother who says to her child you’re not a dog, is behaving rationally.

How do we determine that a child’s fantasy about being a dog or a boy is exactly that rather than the child being trans? THEY ARE CHILDREN. THEY BELIEVE WHAT THEY ARE TOLD, AND THEY SPEND A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO KEEP THEIR PARENTS HAPPY.

These are facts.
Lacksie does not like these facts.
Lacksie has already replied to a similar factual post with
'This is really upsetting and really not ok.'

Does Lacksie think that it is inherently offensive to tell a person with CAIS what their biological sex is? It is their truth, and they deserve to know it.
People with CAIS are male. They need to know that fact to understand who and what they are.

Any diagnosis of DSDs - the earlier done, the better - should come with all the psychological and emotional support that the person needs to come to terms with reality. But hiding reality isn't doing anyone any favours.

Similarly a 4 year old boy who says he is a girl deserves to know the truth, that he is and always will be a boy, but he can be any kind of boy he wants to be, and any kind of man he wants to grow up to be.

The reality that your biological sex at birth is encoded in every cell of your being and can never be changed is an important truth that children deserve to know, as it the freedom to be whoever they want to be regardless of gender stereotypes.

You do realise the trans person in question is an adult a can speak for herself?

It is pure ignorance to say that women with CAIS are men; it has absolutely nothing to do with "facts".

people with CAIS have XY chromosomes, that doesn't make them male and it doesn't make them men.

I know that a lot of you struggle with complexity - and want everything to be black and white- But life just simply doesn't work like that.

I recommend educating yourself and following Jackie Green. She posts a lot of very educational stuff .