Feeling inadequate about my body because of the trans ideology

I know this may not go down well (tone-policing etc.), but... while we've a load of more cynical posters visiting, we're also one of the best (only?!) recourses of this kind for women who feel as OP describes - and there will be some out there.

It feels like a pity if our beloved interruptarons and screen-shot-hunters and derailers succeed in undermining support for the vulnerable newbie (or scaring off people sounding out GC thinking).

When I first read FWR, the patience, care and thought kind of blew me away - above all, though, it was the contrast between that and the sheer nastiness of "visitors" that converted me to the cause.

I know there's still no comparison between that nastiness and the (always wry!) well-deserved caution here. But I also wonder if, while it may be tempting to feel the joke's on us if we don't call Howszat!!! within a few posts, it may be even more on us if we lose what makes this place so fab in stressing we've not been taken in?

I don't give a shit what visiting TRAs think of me.

I do care about women who may be hurting because this ideology's taught them that appearance is what defines them.

And, yeah, I know we've all heard the "women are being mistaken for transwomen" line a thousand times before, but I'd honestly not actually thought of it from the angle OP describes before - kind of like an existential angst eating away at pre-existing insecurities about whether you're woman enough (cos now, of course, trans ideology says there's ways not to be, which simply wasn't a thing before). I mean, I'd read about masculine women in loos and thought about girls who don't like make-up, but somehow hadn't got to the logical extension of this ideology having the potential to really create or aggravate a kind of, well, dysphoria, perhaps, in adult women, too. I hope I'm not putting words in your mouth there, OP.

Yeah, so, maybe I'm naive in that and in the Pollyanna posting philosophy (except when my mask slips on a bad day and I get all sarky for a post or two - so maybe I'm a total hypocrite, too!)

Regardless, to OP - or those like OP - I'm sorry, and I'd second suggestions to get counselling, while taking care to ensure you reach out to someone who's not captured by the way of thinking that's making you hurt.

Sounds pretty dismissive. I'm being sincere and kind and you're telling me "muh, get a job".

I agree that a space to discuss these things is important. And I don't doubt the issue exists.

I don't, however, think that this necessitates accepting whatever anyone says without question.

I am concerned that women on here who do have genuine issues with this are being exploited to tell their stories.

Anyway, it's clear what I think (I think). Look at OPs last post and note the tone shift.

Okay. I'm leaving then. Have a good one, guys

I agree that a space to discuss these things is important. And I don't doubt the issue exists.

I don't, however, think that this necessitates accepting whatever anyone says without question.

I am concerned that women on here who do have genuine issues with this are being exploited to tell their stories.

Anyway, it's clear what I think (I think). Look at OPs last post and note the tone shift.

Also highly unlikely a man would have tuberous breasts. They would either be fairly flat or surgically enhanced, not long and thin.

Thou hast not visited the right part of the antipodean fruit farms.

Anyway, it's clear what I think (I think). Look at OPs last post and note the tone shift.

Yes @BettyBooper I agree with you and I did note the tone of the last post.

Wow, feelings don't always align with our logical mind. How novel.

I'm sorry to make anyone suspicious. I genuinely don't know what's going on and what are you talking about. I have big problems with self esteem and what i said was genuine. I'm not asking for anyone's specific story. I'm sorry if i made that impression. Anyone could just say "yes, i felt something similar" and I wouldn't feel alone. I'm not here for clout. Hell, idek if there are even posts like mine on the internet. The amount of times people mistook me for a man doesn't mean my feelings aren't valid. I apologise in front of all people that didn't dismiss what i said, I didn't have any malicious intent. And i apologise if i mistook this post too because it seems like language barrier is still strong for misunderstandings from me. I'm sorry.

I'm taller than you OP and definitely not a curvy build. No one has ever suggested I look like a man. In fact the whole concept is utterly ridiculous 🙄

Sigh. Sick of this shit

No one specifically told me i look like one but certain features are called manly by people on the internet. I've seen tuberous breasts being compared to gynaecomastia. Let's say I don't feel very happy about that