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BunfightBetty · 15/10/2026 14:47

Have just cantered through this (couldn't follow in real time until now) and am absolutely agog.

Wtf was Doyle thinking? And for his giant salary too.

I wonder if it's felt like he's been waking up to the strains of Sonny and Cher the last few days. Though that's going to feel like a walk in the park once he realises how much he's dropped himself and the trust in it.

Can there be much of a future in the NHS for him now? You'd think not, in any other organisation, but it is the NHS....

Boiledbeetle · 15/10/2026 14:48

Dr Hall is a nasty piece of work isn't she!

fanOfBen · 15/10/2026 14:49

From TT:

CM Would you agree this is incompatible with DEI policy?
AD I was not in meeting, it wasn't handled well and not compatible with DEI policy
CM This is potentially is a disc matter, inus not on victim to complain?
AD agree

CM Not from i/x but as CEO from this period ... p2223 fater C has been told of this incident by LB. Request for the matter to be ix and then SAR. Then p2240, this is the email sent 13 September remining points of conduct which I don't need to take through bullet points, these are same as outset of meeting in August. Reminer of standards of behaviour.
AD yes
CM response to that email is as we see 15th September at bottom minutes prepped at meeting p2242.

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Thehorticulturalhussie · 15/10/2026 14:52

rebax · 15/10/2026 14:10

With fallback of 'perceived to be gender critical'

Meaning that, effectively, incompetence is a protected characteristic in the NHS.

fanOfBen · 15/10/2026 14:54

From TT:

Claimants abuser sends email at top. SH says I see y comments re C are incl in minutes. LB reminds all of behaviour standards. C is labelled a transphobe, reminder of SoB person
AD its wrong and inappropriate
CM someone paid via the CP?

AD yes
CM and prior to Gx nothing 16 Aug 15 September nothing is done?
AD my understanding from reading, I was not involved, I think yes the inappropriate comment was made but then we were into LB talking to C I am not sure there was nothing, that is all I can piece together.

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Boiledbeetle · 15/10/2026 14:55

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CriticalCondition · 15/10/2026 14:56

CM has 5 minutes to wrap it up.

Boiledbeetle · 15/10/2026 14:56

CriticalCondition · 15/10/2026 14:56

CM has 5 minutes to wrap it up.

He doesn't seem anywhere near done!

BettyBooper · 15/10/2026 14:58

CriticalCondition · 15/10/2026 14:56

CM has 5 minutes to wrap it up.

I thought he had til 4?

Justabaker · 15/10/2026 14:58

I think the Judge said 4 pm.

fanOfBen · 15/10/2026 14:58

From TT:

AD Some action should have been taken per DEI policy but can't see and I have no reason to say otherwise.
CM What then happens 2401, The LEA person resigns as she doesn't feel safe. Evidence?
AD nothing other than in letter
CM response is solidarity, when It was them who abused the C?
BW I can't understand what MLF means, solidarity from CP?
CM Not putting CP behaviour at the ICB door, but ex of solidarity rather than it was you who abused and what do you mean?

CM The effects of person abusing, no suggestion to ask whether ...
J again why are these not Q for tomorrow?
CM I want to get to where this takes us re the org you were leading which is revealed with your counsel
C is not a transphobe, clear link to behaviour 2020-1 but inappropraite to do anything about it? THis looks like an org under fear
AD No, I think we had in this period freedom to speak up increasing, staff scores increasing this doesn't speak to an org where people afraid to speak up
CM Agree that after July 2022 nothing C does to provoke acrimony from SH?
AD nothing happens until THB.

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Justabaker · 15/10/2026 14:58

Implication - sitting until 4:30.

fanOfBen · 15/10/2026 14:59

Justabaker · 15/10/2026 14:58

I think the Judge said 4 pm.

I thought (TT said earlier!) the Judge said 3pm, so that she could have half an hour for questions and someone else, presumably respondent's barrister for reexamination, could also have half an hour.

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MarieDeGournay · 15/10/2026 15:01

fanOfBen · 15/10/2026 14:59

I thought (TT said earlier!) the Judge said 3pm, so that she could have half an hour for questions and someone else, presumably respondent's barrister for reexamination, could also have half an hour.

The judge may also be aware that I'm nearly out of milk and my prescription is ready to be picked up and it has at last stopped raining...

fanOfBen · 15/10/2026 15:02

Yes, TT from just before lunch:

J I want u (CM) to finish w AD by 3pm so we can have half an hour each for our Qs - I have a few myself. We'll ahve a shorter lunch so be back for 2pm.

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CriticalCondition · 15/10/2026 15:02

Judge has given him another 10 minutes for his 'big finish'. Chuckles all round.

Shortshriftandlethal · 15/10/2026 15:02

Boiledbeetle · 15/10/2026 14:43

Safe space.

Aghhhhhhh

That could just be the words of the journalist, rather than the document itself.

fanOfBen · 15/10/2026 15:03

From TT:

CM In the face of all actions, ix/ report to regulator, Sinha appointment hiding of Sinha? What do you say to the claim?
AD when I red claim and looked at inpep ix felt right thing to do. What then ensued not what I hoped/ expected. What we got was one complaint from SH and another set from C and Flynn ix by Durant. I take recos to take forward in a new organisation.

I was given assurances workshop was challenging but SG team rebuilding. Culture? The objective measures re appraisals, concerns raised all improving. All things were heading to right direction. I am clear that THIB thing should not have happened.
CM DO you accept calling C a transphobe in front of colleagues
AD Yes I agree that it fell well short and not what expected

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Boiledbeetle · 15/10/2026 15:03

Live footage of AD

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Justabaker · 15/10/2026 15:03

Okay, I was wrong. But its barrister time, so I plead justifiable homicide of the clock.

BettyBooper · 15/10/2026 15:05

Justabaker · 15/10/2026 15:03

Okay, I was wrong. But its barrister time, so I plead justifiable homicide of the clock.

I thought the same! 🥴

Boiledbeetle · 15/10/2026 15:06

CM is finished

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Cookiepuss · 15/10/2026 15:07

Personally I think he should be made to stay in that chair until he admits he's a completely incompetent, under qualified, overpaid buffoon who has absolutely no idea what he's doing and agrees to pay back his unearned remuneration for however long he's been in the role. It's no wonder the NHS is in a complete mess with numpties like this in charge.

fanOfBen · 15/10/2026 15:07

there may be a technical glitch, I've had nothing from TT that I haven't posted...

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KittyWilkinson · 15/10/2026 15:08

@fanOfBen thanks for all of your hard work today. Much appreciated.