Redvers v NHS Sussex Integrated Care Board & Mr Adam Doyle Thread 2

From TT:

We will be returning for the afternoon session of day 6 of evidence in Redvers v NHS Sussex Integrated Care Board and A Doyle at 14:00. The earlier morning sessions and abbreviations are available here:

t.co/TwXeLCCPzV

The judge has asked Mr Milsom (Barrister for C) to conclude his cross-examination of Mr Doyle by 16:00 in order to allow time for her questions and Mr Williams' final questions this afternoon.

[that's a typo, isn't it, TT, should say 15:00]

From TT:

[We resume.]

CM Can i ask about your role in comissionsing
AD emergeing conerns re prescribing, summer/autumn 2024.
CM Your role in setting up
AD in my role with AM Gallagher, and laising with MHS England I was off sick some of Dec and on secondment Jan-June 2025. Coincided
with ToR and the announcement it was underway

CM The trigger point was age 18, therefore PSIR was
The ref oint your decision
AD Amy and her team liased with NHS England ToR. Can't recall when it was signed off; on secondment of sick.
CM Page 5521 part of commissioning for individuals; 280% increase in 2 years, tripling in
budget for adult svcs from NHSE?
AD yes

From TT:

CM In re establishment of THIB. Big block of text, from p2157 if we start from there. Training for staff delivered by Claire Proj and DSH? We have high rainking staff sitting on it and may be first in the country. Carry on down ...supervision by SH, 40 minute appointments holistic approach and a few more lines down, exchange information about affirmative care in primary setting. First THIB forst of its kind, led by high ranking NHS mgmt? Would you dispute?

AD yes
CM you were aware to Cs concerns raised with you, GMC, NHSE.
AD yes
CM These comments. They give rise to SG concerns?
AS potntially.
CM Do you know why C only knew about THIB until 14 mos after set up?

From TT:

CM Is C a diligent employee? [yes]
Only knew when LB told her is odd?
AD Yes, I agree but [missed]
CM Given increases in referrals and budget, there is no equivalent elsewhere? The reason she doesn't know is because it was kept from view?
AD no

CM Dr Hall an active role? CLaire Proj keptKeep them apart [who?} Drs Hall/Redvers?
AD no
CM D you accept if SG in Gender Incong is part of Cs job that keeping her from view of the THIB > 1 yr makes that difficult as matter of principle?
AD Well bearing in mind it reported to Boards, Chair of ICB and LA members, there was a Integ Care partnership, meeting chaired by ICB and HWB Chairs ... [Explaining complex governance structure, LA involvement}

From TT:

AD my point is it was not hidden.
CM We know it wasn't from senior teams but given Cs work why did she not know
AD I had no way of knowing
CM You don't dispute it
AD I can't dispute it
CM Answer re organisational reporting chains but not direct to my Q

CM Re detriment [misssed] p. 2275 lived experience advisors yes? This is an email that emerged of JD for this. They are called TNBI but they are LE advisor
AD yes
CM 2276 And these are paid by Claire Project with funds from NHS Sussex are paid indirectly by ICB
AD yes

From TT:

CM And this reflected also in training roles of Claire and public involvement teams ... presumably this had some input from ICB before being advert?
AS yes
CM and we see applications being referred to. We might see that these people would consider this a joint offer of work from NHS Sussex and CP yes?
AS I can see that
CM We are re recruiting ... p2276 "we" can be taken as NHS Sussex and CP ?
J we have est that
CM Pls p109 of Cs WS to top 110.

CM [reffering to the section of WS, cannot see] Do you dispute?
AD No
CM Detriment 17. At first prelim hearing, case mgmt hearing each party id'd all parties for R as witnesses. At that time LB was listed as a witness, but do you know why she is not here?
AD no
CM P69 of third supp bundle, unredacted mins of

CM This doc was presented with redactions
BW [discussion of redactions in doc, provided on a n agreed basis that nothing hidden re attendes and agrees it would not be in bundle.]
CM I dispute
BW [Disputing this.]

CM p69 we see list members and attendees. Presumably you agree members are fixed attendees and some others may be present. No permanent attendance (membership) of ICB or NHS SG representatives?

From TT:

AD no
CM If we look at what these mins show. P70 above 1.3 LB reiterated behaviours as in circulate slides, you might not know but presumably the one recirculated?
AD I don't know
CM p73 same bundle we have reference to AOB, G being one. Concern raised re under 18s; it was agreed to discuss outside mtg.

CM BUt this should not have been discussed as it should not be happening?
AD I wasn't there but it was adult mtg
J He was not at that mtg
CM Rational assessment of what we kow re detriments and org for which you are accountable 2801[?] of main bundle. This is comm btw C in 2022 and Debra Parament. This is a good piece of work thank you. She holds S in esteem, in an important matter?

AS Yes
CM Constructive relationship ICB/NHSE important for patient care?
AD yes
CM P2448 fullest text of that mtg. at AOB stage. Text at top we know is Ms Parament.

From TT:

J AD not at this meeting, why he begin asked?
CM [argues for this] In response to this we see SH leaves, apparently at the mention of C's name?
AS I don't know but by looks of things this was prompted by that yes
CM Reads text: Perhaps someone can fill in. Suggest someone to fill in gaps, that's an invitation for someone else to explain re C? [In the transcript C is referred to as a transphobe]

J Asks again as AD was not in mtg
CM What I am asking is whether this letter {Signed my C]... Would you accept as to describe her as a Transphobe as a result of signing this letter is a gross distortion?
D she signed this and nothing in here ... could she be described as a transphobe

CM 2449 in response Ms Parament says had not realised this, I will need to think about this and I would not want to comment but I am taking this seriously. Then ... this is end of discussion of SG matters based on what follows. 2450 can we make this a safe space? Let's go out and enjoy weather while it lasts. None say this is a distortion of Cs beliefs are valid, rather they appeal to the need to make people feels safe.