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Sexism/Racism/other issues in the Green party England & Wales - Discussion Thread 4

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fromorbit · 06/10/2026 06:23

RedToothBrush · Yesterday 20:39

We are going to need at least another 40 pages about this shit show of an anti-Semitic woman hating party...

We started these threads back in May 2025. It keeps getting worse.

You know when you watch a drama and it starts by being comic, then gets darker and darker. The threads started with the rise of Zack Polanski aka Hypno Boobs, Water Titty, ZPy before he became leader watching as he got elected in September 2, 2025.

The Hypnoboobs scandal was of course kind of funny, but what was very revealing was his attempt to paint it as a plot by the media against him. It was gradually revealed he used the drama to his advantage to advertise his business and he did claim to have weird powers over boobs from BBC footage.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

It wasn't just he lied. humans and especially politicians do that. It is rather he refused to take responsibility, and ducked out. He has kept doing it again and again. Exaggerations and lies over claiming support from charities, ducking out of paying taxes, talking over women saying they don't deserve sports or any spaces, about why he swapped from Lib Dem to being Green . It is all very similar to the way many behave particularly blokes from other political parties.

Now the crazy anti Semitism within the party has been growing and ZP has failed to stop it. He did try to block it behind the scenes, but was very reluctant to face it head on. This cumulated in the Greens Conference 2006, when ZP failed to fight against the racist anti-Zionist motion in person. Instead he went to campaign in London for the byelection. Meanwhile guess what the fight back was lead mostly by 4 of the 5 Green MPs, mostly women.

Looking back at the last thread the horror is everything we predicted has come to pass. This is what headed the last thread in May 2006.
Now in the last week or so after a longstanding spate of anti-Semitic rhetoric from some Greens during the election campaign and ZP downplaying it. We have synagogues, schools, ambulances attacked, two Jewish people dead and ZP berating unarmed police for risking their lives in fighting a violent killer who was still armed with a knife things have come to a crisis point.
The Greens are becoming ever more sinister with dozens of candidates sounding like they are seventies NF supporters with comments about uppity women and Jewish power.

The October Conference 2026 was as dark as predicted. The racism was crazy. They banned the words mum and dad. Apparently women have to dress modestly to win Muslim votes. Not only was Green's Women's Declaration banned, but some Greens have now decided that women's biology is so icky they protest talks about it.
https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16181937/Trans-Green-women-event-female-health.html

Besides ZPy, we also have documented Mothin Ali as deputy Leader who clearly doesn't believe in trans thinking, but cleverly sidesteps round talking about it. He has always had a issues with encouraging racist violence and one look at his wife shows what he thinks about women. He is also a landlord in a party which is supposedly anti landlord. Ali has been very loud talking about how bad racism is, but also loves being racist.

The other deputy leader Rachel Millward represents the posh rich faction of the Greens who manages to sounded like Reform when opposing Asylum Seekers in her area, but at the same time saying we are too harsh on immigrants in general. Obviously she also doesn't believe women are a thing. She also is a landlord as well, or rather her partner is. Yet she is the least crazy when violence and racism is concerned compared to ZP, and Mothin.

All of these people are up for re-election in 2027. The drama will be epic.

The media is paying increasing attention to what Mumsnet have been noting for ages. Mumsnet was there during the Challenor scandal which showed how awful the Greens anti-women rhetoric could be.

The Greens control Bristol where they face legal action from women for trying to silence them
https://www.localgovernmentlawyer.co.uk/governance/396-governance-news/99477-gender-critical-campaigners-launch-judicial-review-proceedings-over-council-chamber-ban

Their sexist nonsense has also raised protests in Hackney under the control of Zoe Garbbett with effigies of Andy Burnham being burned.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5527195-zoe-garbett-green-mayor-for-hackney?page=1

Women being silenced in Green controlled Haringey
https://www.gbnews.com/news/trans-row-activists-heckle-abuse-labour-councillor

The fight back from Green Women's Declaration, https://www.greenwomensdeclaration.uk/ continues and they are now taking the Greens to court for banning them from the conference twice for being women. The court cases against GPEW from Emma Bateman and Shahrar Ali are developing, both getting through legal delaying tactics as they move to trial. Gardening is needed. These cases if successful could be dramatic in their impact.

First thread - where you can follow the rise of ZP and lots of other scandal May 2025
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

Second Thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5456759-sexismother-issues-in-the-green-party-england-wales-discussion-thread-2?

Third thread - the run up to the Greens Conference in October 2026
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5524462-sexismother-issues-in-the-green-party-england-wales-discussion-thread-3

Note the Scottish Greens which are a separate party to the Green Party England/Wales have their own thread for all their sexist/racist drama. They split off because GPEW didn't hate biology and women/gays enough at the time.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5313420-scottish-greens-being-sexist-again?page=1

Zack Polanski, in white open necked shirt and dark jacket, addresses a Green Party rally, with microphone in hand

Zack Polanski stood by breast enlargment hypnosis claim

A newly unearthed interview from 2013 casts doubt on the Green Party leader's claim to have apologised.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

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ArabellaScott · 15/10/2026 08:02

Hmm. Sounding a bit desperate, the Libdems:

'Senior Liberal Democrats have been highly critical of the Greens’ new policy. Tim Farron, the former leader, encouraged defectors to join his party in a post on X.
He wrote: “That the anti-Semitic entryists who have captured the Green Party, are being anti-Semitic, is no surprise.
“That [Zack Polanski] skipped this vote and failed to use his authority to argue against them, is an astonishing act of weakness. Real Greens are welcome in the Lib Dems.”
Jess Brown-Fuller, the party’s justice spokesman, also encouraged Green members to “find your political home in the Liberal Democrats'

Have a think about women's rights and you might get more takers.

lcakethereforeIam · 13/10/2026 20:15

This is something for the LibDems to think about

https://archive.ph/BmkAn

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/10/13/lib-dems-urged-to-ditch-power-sharing-deals-with-greens/

Chersfrozenface · 13/10/2026 11:11

Lalgarh · 13/10/2026 10:52

I thought Lucas was working as a Death Doula now.

Christ imagine being terminally ill and having her as your confidant

Remember those cards you could actually get, expressing your wish not to be visited in hospital by various politicians?

You'd need one of those but bigger and more attention grabbing. And preferably legally binding.

Lalgarh · 13/10/2026 10:52

I thought Lucas was working as a Death Doula now.

Christ imagine being terminally ill and having her as your confidant

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 13/10/2026 10:48

ArabellaScott · 13/10/2026 10:38

They depend on a mix of being under the radar, coercion via aggressive silencing of critics, and selling their own interests as 'peace' or 'love' or 'kindness'.

At some point, though, they risk breaking cover, meeting pushback, and/or a majority of people recognising the doublespeak.

Imagine plotting against Caroline Lucas. The mind boggles at the sheer insanity of it. There are plenty of reasons that Lucas would be a disaster if she had any direct influence on our politics and govt policies in any future left coalition, but to gang up on her for speaking out re the ZiR motion is hilarious.

ArabellaScott · 13/10/2026 10:38

They depend on a mix of being under the radar, coercion via aggressive silencing of critics, and selling their own interests as 'peace' or 'love' or 'kindness'.

At some point, though, they risk breaking cover, meeting pushback, and/or a majority of people recognising the doublespeak.

ArabellaScott · 13/10/2026 10:36

Agree that the entryists (either the Gaza faction or the gender one) aren't big enough on their own to survive as a viable political party - that's why they glommed onto the Greens. It's Dentons playbook tactics.

Lalgarh · 13/10/2026 09:10

fromorbit · 13/10/2026 06:05

The Mothin Ali one is great, saw it a while back.

There were some suggestions he was going to make a successful bid for Green leader recently. I don't think people realise how toxic the guy is. I think there is a strong possibility he is going to lose the deputy in August let alone going higher.

Re: that interview and his hostility to female Reform speaker. I've seen a seething reaction from ZP as well that's quite common. Similar "eeeeek someone will pay for that" vibe

The other thing about Mothin Ali, and I realise this sounds petty, is that he's physically quite small. Women as per that piece learn to spot hostile body language but short men are often acutely aware of their literal shortcomings against other, larger males and that like it or not there's a pecking order.

It might even be why, unlike say the 2 Gaza independent MPs Ali has not been able to clearly state that he doesn't fully accept TWAW because he's fairly likely to come off worse if he becomes a target for activists. Last August/ September he was being openly goaded by India Willoughby about why he hadn't spoken out about the Trans Genocide like he has about the one in Gaza, and he managed to restrain himself in a way the 2 Gaza MPs who later left your party (Adnan Hussain and Iqbal Mohammed) didn't feel the need to, however politely, to tell them there wasn't one

fromorbit · 13/10/2026 08:23

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 13/10/2026 06:26

Lucus is one of the ones who created the perfect environment for the entryist's, she's accused Israel of genocide herself, she made the bed she's about to be turfed out of, my money's on the Gazatters.

We are going to find out. Pretty soon.

I think if the Gazaites look like winning the party will split and break up. The Lucas side will do better,

The Gazaite side will fall apart as soon as the party splits. They can't do well without a host.

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fromorbit · 13/10/2026 08:19

Reporter GB news.

Charlie Simpson 🇬🇧

EXCLUSIVE: Caroline Lucas and Adrian Ramsay plotting vote of no confidence against Zack Polanski.

Former Green Party leader Caroline Lucas and Green MP Adrian Ramsay are plotting a vote of no confidence against current leader Zack Polanski in the coming weeks, according to two sources close to the matter.

It is unclear whether Lucas has any interest in returning as leader herself, but she is actively supporting Ramsay’s effort to take control of the party. Sources say Lucas has been privately rallying influential figures within the Greens to back a challenge against Polanski.

There is concern among those involved that further delay could allow deputy leader Mothin Ali and his supporters to strike first. As part of the campaign to remove Polanski, Lucas is understood to have asked contacts in the media to platform her.

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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 13/10/2026 06:26

Lucus is one of the ones who created the perfect environment for the entryist's, she's accused Israel of genocide herself, she made the bed she's about to be turfed out of, my money's on the Gazatters.

fromorbit · 13/10/2026 06:17

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 12/10/2026 21:14

Having followed a link on another thread, I scrolled down and found this from The Telegraph

"Pro-Palestine Greens plot to banish ‘toxic’ Caroline Lucas
Green Party activists are plotting to oust Caroline Lucas after accusing her of being an Israeli "shill", The Telegraph can reveal.
Members of the Greens for Palestine group accused Ms Lucas, who was the party's first MP and twice served as its leader, of being "toxic, divisive and a shill for apartheid and genocide".
In WhatsApp messages seen by The Telegraph, members shared advice on how to submit complaints to the party's disciplinary panel about Ms Lucas, who comes from the moderate wing of the party.
The group hopes to submit enough complaints to encourage the party to act against Ms Lucas."

I'm at a loss for words to describe how malign and nihilistic the people behind this must be. They're really demented, it's as if they've de-evolved back into whatever Homo came before Sapien.

The same tactics they used against pro-women Greens I note.

The problem is that other Greens are also complaining about the various awful Gaza supporters. Guess we will find out who controls the discipline mechanisms inside the Greens in the near future.

This is exactly why Lucas is aiming to reform the party she and others are aiming to strike back against the entryists before it is too late. From what ZP has being saying in the Guardian he is on the same page. Who is going to win?

Everything points to heavy internal discord. Will the party survive?

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fromorbit · 13/10/2026 06:05

DrBlackbird · 12/10/2026 22:15

Another of her articles was interesting. This one was on Mothin Ali and his response to being challenged by a woman. I bet he hates having to do interviews with female politician: jeanhatchet.substack.com/p/when-a-man-raises-his-hand-to-a-woman

The Mothin Ali one is great, saw it a while back.

There were some suggestions he was going to make a successful bid for Green leader recently. I don't think people realise how toxic the guy is. I think there is a strong possibility he is going to lose the deputy in August let alone going higher.

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DrBlackbird · 12/10/2026 22:15

fromorbit · 12/10/2026 16:21

Another of her articles was interesting. This one was on Mothin Ali and his response to being challenged by a woman. I bet he hates having to do interviews with female politician: jeanhatchet.substack.com/p/when-a-man-raises-his-hand-to-a-woman

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 12/10/2026 21:14

Having followed a link on another thread, I scrolled down and found this from The Telegraph

"Pro-Palestine Greens plot to banish ‘toxic’ Caroline Lucas
Green Party activists are plotting to oust Caroline Lucas after accusing her of being an Israeli "shill", The Telegraph can reveal.
Members of the Greens for Palestine group accused Ms Lucas, who was the party's first MP and twice served as its leader, of being "toxic, divisive and a shill for apartheid and genocide".
In WhatsApp messages seen by The Telegraph, members shared advice on how to submit complaints to the party's disciplinary panel about Ms Lucas, who comes from the moderate wing of the party.
The group hopes to submit enough complaints to encourage the party to act against Ms Lucas."

I'm at a loss for words to describe how malign and nihilistic the people behind this must be. They're really demented, it's as if they've de-evolved back into whatever Homo came before Sapien.

Imdunfer · 12/10/2026 17:50

inkymoose · 12/10/2026 16:10

Is he though?

He's not stupid (although the evidence for that is a little thin) and he's a survivor, although hasn't reached the mendacious heights of Farage yet.

I don't think he was asleep. I think he's changing his tactics to hang onto the leadership.

I think he's realised that a political party needs a leader. They thought they could run it like a social club with everyone having an equal say. Even social clubs can't work like that.

DrBlackbird · 12/10/2026 17:24

fromorbit · 12/10/2026 16:21

He asked me why I felt it was important. More or less, what has it got to do with me.

Same question could be thrown right back at him/the Green Party. Only more do. Why did they feel it was important to bring the Gaza conflict directly into GP politics to the extent that Jewish people in the UK feel even more under threat?

But I imagine they both fumed at the accusation of being racist lol.

inkymoose · 12/10/2026 16:48

fromorbit · 12/10/2026 16:21

I admire the way Jean Hatchet writes, vividly and uncompromisingly. I started reading the next article on Upton and Tickle esqs., which was also very funny, searing and witty - she said of Tickle (transwoman in recent Aussie Court case), "Tickle belongs under a bridge scaring goats".
I'm not surprised the weedy Green Councillors ran away. She is quite terrifying, also relentless, courageous and hilarious.

nicepotoftea · 12/10/2026 16:36

fromorbit · 12/10/2026 16:28

I think it was a ,ix of stuff. He thought somehow he could evade responsibility for the vote if he didn't actively get involved. Plus opposing it would be difficult and he doesn't like difficult .

Thing is what he now has to do is worse.

Reorganise the Green's party structure
Get a different motion on Israel passed
Get re-elected as leader

Also maybe lose some members.

fromorbit · 12/10/2026 16:28

inkymoose · 12/10/2026 16:10

Is he though?

He's not stupid (although the evidence for that is a little thin) and he's a survivor, although hasn't reached the mendacious heights of Farage yet.

I don't think he was asleep. I think he's changing his tactics to hang onto the leadership.

I think it was a ,ix of stuff. He thought somehow he could evade responsibility for the vote if he didn't actively get involved. Plus opposing it would be difficult and he doesn't like difficult .

Thing is what he now has to do is worse.

Reorganise the Green's party structure
Get a different motion on Israel passed
Get re-elected as leader

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MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 12/10/2026 16:28

fromorbit · 12/10/2026 16:21

Good thing Jean didn't also ask about the SC ruling. I suspect the meeting would have been terminated even earlier.

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inkymoose · 12/10/2026 16:14

ThreeDeafMice · 12/10/2026 15:53

Vladimir Putin would eat ZP alive, before breakfast, and without blinking. Can you imagine!?

gulp

inkymoose · 12/10/2026 16:10

Is he though?

He's not stupid (although the evidence for that is a little thin) and he's a survivor, although hasn't reached the mendacious heights of Farage yet.

I don't think he was asleep. I think he's changing his tactics to hang onto the leadership.

ThreeDeafMice · 12/10/2026 15:53

ArabellaScott · 12/10/2026 15:36

No shit! See also Zack's answers about how he'd deal with Russia by having a nice chat with Putin, while also scrapping nuclear weapons.

Vladimir Putin would eat ZP alive, before breakfast, and without blinking. Can you imagine!?