Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #63

It has to be. If true they'd never help anyone.

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NC - turn to the SF initial account of his conv with SP. Just to ask if a member were to contact RCN direct, and say 'my manager has been picking on me since I rebuffed his sexual advances,

and now been suspended', you would expect the RCN rep to be the person who is expert in that?
NP not necessarily the contact centres have advisors who follow a decision making tree.

I call bullshit!

God! I would not want these people as my union.

Norman the clairvoyant, disagreeing with the take on the investigation report he didn't read

Showing him up, and he doesn’t like it. Tough.

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NP - no don't agree. It's clear she's taken advice, it's an expansion, I view the advice of simply lawyer saying approach union about potential new claims. It's the same thing.

NC - you wrote a further letter to SP explaining your decision. You say there in 'you sought indep legal rep therefore we can't give legal assistance' But she did seek assistance before the claim, and the RCN directed SF (missed)
NP - not to mount a legal claim.

NP - (talks about communication between Stuart and Sandie Peggie and when Sandie sought legal support, and also about impending suspension of SP) No indication at that time that SP wished to take legal proceedings

When he doesn't want to answer he resorts to 'I refer you to the evidence I have already given in my statement '.

She's definitely pissing him off

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NC - go back to your decision letter, you now seem to be saying that the two reasons - legal advice and also she ought to amend first claim - you now add third reason, her solicitor was advising SF about how best to run the work place process?
That's new

He's beginning to spit out his words and sound irritated.

Quick pompom wave!

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NC - it was clear that she had been advised that the report gave rise to potential claims.
NP - I disagreed with that NC your view was ' you should talk to your union' that was sufficient? (apologies missed something here)

Sound quality of NP poor. There is some discussion about relationship between Sandie, MG and the union. NP felt that substantial legal advice given and decision made on this.

Me too, I'd even pay good money to watch it. 😂

Be advised all GC members in the RCN are under my protection now.

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NP - P internal process diff to employment tribunal. Stuart's job to run disc process. MG to do emp tribunal. Separate processes.

NC - That clause gave you a clear discretion to act for her second claim. Given that she was so badly let down initially by the union.
NP - I don't agree she was badly advised by union. I stand by my decision
NC - your reasons - number of problematic reasons

NC - how many issues?
NP - two NP I used the rules of authorisation as I apply every day.
NC - you didn't read discip investigation report?
NP - no

NC - p412. That's SP's letter to you sent by email 14 Feb. She wrote to protest that this decision made before she'd applied to union.
NP - yes

I so want him to remain under oath until Monday morning. Fingers crossed!

Wonderful use of long silence by NC

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NC the point I'm making is that the 'other advisors' clause is generic, and in both cases it gives you the discretion to withdraw, doesn't bind you to withdraw. So you are wrong to say your hands are tied?

I'm saying if your hands are tied then you would have to withdraw workplace rep too?
NP - no disagree
NC - that 'may' indicates discretion

NP - that was a decision I made at the time and I stand by it.
NC - the last sentence of clause that's the reason for that clause - (didn't catch last bit)

wriggly little worm

I'm getting obstreperous vibes.

I think NC is saying here 1. “He fettered his discretion” but gave no plausible reason, and instead offered a lawyer legal advice. LOL

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NP - made distinction to rep her in the workplace. Mrs Peggie went to an external legal provider. NC the point I'm making is that Stuart and Gillian were content to carry on rep Sandie in the workplace,

sometimes coached or prodded by her solicitor and Mrs Peggie's solicitor and reps worked together during that period?
NP - not agreed that the tactics we used were diff from legal provider. Yes we did agree to assist her with internal process

Imagine not being able to make up different rules when it suited them! It would be awful for them.

That's a tantrum that I would pay to watch.