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The English Blackball Pool Federation have won!

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Igmum · 01/08/2025 11:49

Case dismissed against them - Lynne Pinches has shared this on Twix https://x.com/pincheslynne/status/1951219668976369953?s=48&t=aUMrfsfvZ3ry7TIDiJkOVg

https://x.com/pincheslynne/status/1951219668976369953?s=48&t=aUMrfsfvZ3ry7TIDiJkOVg

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TheLongRider · 01/08/2025 13:12

The judgment is well set out and thought through. The judge was obviously left scratching their head about the Claimant's submissions. There are some choice quotes emphasising the "have your cake and eat it" nature of the submissions.

"76 Thus far, it seems to be the Claimant’s stated position that (i) in view of FWS, the relevant
exclusion was a matter of sex discrimination and (ii) she had not pleaded sex discrimination. I would
have thought it followed that the claim must be dismissed. However, the Amended Further
Submissions then argued that it should succeed:
“To assert that the discrimination experienced by the Claimant is actually sex discrimination,
and not gender reassignment discrimination, is incorrect. To adopt such an approach would
render the protected characteristic of gender reassignment worthless and there is nothing in
the FWS decision supporting such a position.” (paragraph 13)

77 It seems to me that this passage contradicts what was said in paragraph 9 of the same
submissions, as quoted above. Nor can I see how it is reconcilable with FWS. If (in accordance with
FWS) I accept that the Defendants have excluded the Claimant from women’s competitions because
she is a biological male, then it cannot be said that they have instead, or additionally, excluded her
because of gender reassignment. Indeed, it is more accurate to say that they have excluded her
despite her gender reassignment."

"80 Attempting to engage with these submissions as best I can, I would say that the Defendants have
treated the Claimant as a man (and therefore ineligible for the women’s competition) because they
have not accepted that her gender reassignment certificate requires her to be treated as a woman
for the purposes of the EA 2010. The Claimant is aggrieved by that." 🙄🤔😄

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 01/08/2025 13:06

Helleofabore · 01/08/2025 12:45

From the judgement.

The consequences of FWS

15 On 16 April 2025, five days after the trial concluded, the Supreme Court gave judgment in For Women Scotland Ltd v The Scottish Ministers [2025] UKSC 16. It is the Defendants’ position that in the light of FWS the claim must be dismissed. The Claimant initially accepted that was so but then, with the Defendants’ consent and my permission, reversed her position and filed amended submissions arguing that the claim should still succeed.

16 I have decided that the Claimant’s original concession was correct. The claim cannot survive the outcome of FWS. I will explain why that is at paragraphs 61 to 124.

17 My conclusion means it is not necessary to decide whether the defences under s195 EA 2010 or
paragraph 28 of Schedule 3 to EA 2010 pool are made out. However, the question of whether pool is
2a gender-affected activity was thoroughly explored at the trial with the aid of expert evidence, and I will set out my views about it. I will also deal briefly with paragraph 28 of Schedule 3.

The Claimant initially accepted that was so but then, with the Defendants’ consent and my permission, reversed her position and filed amended submissions arguing that the claim should still succeed.

😂😂😂😂😂😂

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 01/08/2025 13:04

Legal feminist's commentary on the judgement if you don't want to read the whole thing.

The word ouch is used many times. 🤭🤭

x.com/legalfeminist/status/1951222983118221394?s=46&t=AjtjSItRj-kgZwRzL-pdyQ

MelOfTheRoses · 01/08/2025 12:57

WandaSiri · 01/08/2025 12:47

Only Bundlejuice was involved, not JR.

2 The Claimant was represented at trial by Ms White; the Defendants by Ms Crowther KC and Mr
Maini-Thompson. The Claimant’s submissions regarding FWS were the combined work of Ms Russell
KC, Ms White and the Claimant’s solicitor Mr Champ.

It looks like Ms Russell KC was involved in the submissions about the FWS Supreme Court judgement, after the trial. Presumably these were similar to the assertions that were made about FWS during the Sandie Peggie tribunal - I am off to read more 🤓

lechiffre55 · 01/08/2025 12:57

Soooooo glad. Not had time to read it all, but it appears women's rights do matter after all :) Huge smirk here. Great start to a wonderful weekend.

Just make open category sports events you deranged cockettish cockwombles and leave women alone. No means no.

FranticFrankie · 01/08/2025 12:57

👏💪👏
Brilliant

NotfinanciallyresponsibleforyouSadTimes · 01/08/2025 12:54

That is good news.

lcakethereforeIam · 01/08/2025 12:53

Are there any pool federations in the UK that are still permitting tw to compete in women's competitions?

WandaSiri · 01/08/2025 12:51

As a bonus, the judge does also conclude that pool is a gender-affected sport.

A report commissioned by the women players who took two other pool federations to court also came to that conclusion and as a result the federations reverted to women-only eligibility for women's competition.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 01/08/2025 12:51

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 01/08/2025 12:30

That is exceedingly well worth reading, particularly wrt NHSF v Peggie and what we suspect JR will be attempting to argue.

WandaSiri · 01/08/2025 12:47

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 01/08/2025 12:41

It makes it all the more delicious that Robin Moira White and Jane Russell were the losing legal team. 🤭🤭

Only Bundlejuice was involved, not JR.

lcakethereforeIam · 01/08/2025 12:46

Are they is some sort of competition with the GLP? Who can rack up the biggest number of loses.

This whole 'living as a woman' seems particularly stupid when it comes to sports. What possibly could it matter what a competitor wears, what their hobbies are outside of the track, table, etc.

Good to see the SC ruling being applied.

Helleofabore · 01/08/2025 12:45

From the judgement.

The consequences of FWS

15 On 16 April 2025, five days after the trial concluded, the Supreme Court gave judgment in For Women Scotland Ltd v The Scottish Ministers [2025] UKSC 16. It is the Defendants’ position that in the light of FWS the claim must be dismissed. The Claimant initially accepted that was so but then, with the Defendants’ consent and my permission, reversed her position and filed amended submissions arguing that the claim should still succeed.

16 I have decided that the Claimant’s original concession was correct. The claim cannot survive the outcome of FWS. I will explain why that is at paragraphs 61 to 124.

17 My conclusion means it is not necessary to decide whether the defences under s195 EA 2010 or
paragraph 28 of Schedule 3 to EA 2010 pool are made out. However, the question of whether pool is
2a gender-affected activity was thoroughly explored at the trial with the aid of expert evidence, and I will set out my views about it. I will also deal briefly with paragraph 28 of Schedule 3.

hockeysticks89 · 01/08/2025 12:44

Based on the legal feminist thread, it was very embarrassing for the losing team!

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 01/08/2025 12:41

It makes it all the more delicious that Robin Moira White and Jane Russell were the losing legal team. 🤭🤭

334bu · 01/08/2025 12:40

Thanks for posting

lcakethereforeIam · 01/08/2025 12:34

I read that costs have been awarded against Haynes.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 01/08/2025 12:28

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/08/2025 12:25

Is there any written judgment or did it just get chucked out at an early stage? Presumably there is some legal reasoning.

There is. It is well worth reading!! 🤭

NotMyRealAccount · 01/08/2025 12:26

Superb :)

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/08/2025 12:25

Is there any written judgment or did it just get chucked out at an early stage? Presumably there is some legal reasoning.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/08/2025 12:24

Fantastic, although there was little basis for “Harriet’s” claim, especially following SC ruling. Vexatious bully.

MelOfTheRoses · 01/08/2025 12:11

Brilliant! They have been put through the mangle for this, but have defended their space well. I am sorry for what they had to suffer for it and hope things work out well for them.

DrSpartacularsMagnificentOctopus · 01/08/2025 12:02

Excellent news.

KeepTalkingBeth · 01/08/2025 12:02

Goodness. It says the case was brought against the chairman and the administrator personally so their homes were at risk. Gender ideology is such a destructive force.

This is great news, thank you for sharing.

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