Trump re trans issues / Tate brothers

Yes, if you keep saying it's everyone else that is stupid, and don't accept any responsibility it will be a long time before you're re-elected. There is a saying (at least in Australia) that the public never get it wrong (regarding elections).

The Democrats will keep losing as long as that's what they tell themselves.

So everything bar the fact that the Democrats failed their usual core constituents and didn't measure up? The Dems lost this election. Trump didn't win it. But you seem utterly incapable of critical thinking and knowing that Dems have any blame at all.

You genuinely don't think the Dems have any responsibility at all for their loss? ??

@ArabellaScott

Can you give a brief precis?

Very briefly: racism. Lack of critical thinking. Russian interference via social media channels. Elon Musk pressure. The late switch from Biden to Harris. Fear of a woman president (misogyny). The odd marriage of evangelism to the far-right.

Maybe, although I am seeing more support for some of these things than you might expect.

In my experience, a lot of Americans have a very different attitude to some things that people in the UK, but not always for the reasons you'd think. For example, the maternity leave thing - quite a few think this should be available, but paid for by higher salaries, or they have a tendency to want to give people money to invest themselves rather than a pension as such.

With the public service, there are a lot of people who are not in the public service who aren't that sympathetic to the idea that you should have a job for life just because. And they may think that the farming sector isn't really helped in the end by the state interfering to create artificiality.

But mainly, many are as deeply cynical about the public service and it's competence and honesty as they are about political figures. And they think that the US continuing to bankroll the world just creates dependency on both sides.

It's a very different way of looking at it but it's not nutty as such.

It is remarkable how you manage to twist the meaning of words into something else.

Now that, is truly ironic. The cognitive dissonance is amazing. In fact, it would be part of a comedian's act if it weren't so serious. That you said that with a straight face, is absolutely extraordinary.

Quite! Of course, if they didn't engage in endless mudslinging, then they might actually (horror) have to come up with a reasonable counterpoint to our arguments and we all know they don't have any.

Precisely.

Can you give a brief precis?

ISTR this poster is on the other side of the world, so they are probably not going to answer until later.

I think they did lose (at least in part) due to misogyny, @PaterPower. It would help if they challenged the way it has run rampant within the Democrats, as a start.

Quite! Of course, if they didn't engage in endless mudslinging, then they might actually (horror) have to come up with a reasonable counterpoint to our arguments and we all know they don't have any.

And i hate the myth that seems to have grown with some posters that FWR is full of posters that love and adore trump and everything he says

oh wait i don't mean myth, i mean fucking lie

This

The Democratic Party doesn’t help itself when it does things like ‘balance’ its co-chairs by ensuring a non-binary chair is voted in.

Few in the Party seem to have actually absorbed the lessons from Trump’s victory and seem to be assuming that business as usual (for them) will see them win in 4 years time.

Look how well that served Hilary Clinton. Or Kamala Harris (who lost largely / purely due to misogyny, according to their view).

First reply nails it

If a woman is to blame then blame her, you won’t find much disagreement about Truss. She’s an idiot.

Can you give a brief precis?

I think it will be rather rocky term.

MN is mostly a UK site, so there won't be many 'buyers'. I find it very odd that people are betated for being pleased when a foreign but internationally powerful politician they dislike, did not vote for, and cannot vote against, does at least one thing they agree with.

I have no buyers remorse because Trump is nothing to do with me. I am not important enough to influence him and I cannot vote in his country.

Also this. The scolds will just have to direct their scolding in a more appropriate direction.

Let's hope the key issue of 2028 election is 'the economy stupid' and not 'how does America feel about being Putin's lackey?'.

Interestingly, Trump is making the same mistake as the Democrats. He won on inflation and cost of living but he does not seem to understand this. Instead he thinks the culture wars mean the voters will give him a free pass for all the mayhem he is causing farmers and public servants. But the crazy tariffs and sackings will not go unpunished. It is still ' the economy stupid'.

I agree.

Still no answers to how it's our fault trump got in or what we have bought and should be remorseful of?

I acknowledge the optics of blaming a woman... but Liz Truss definitely contributed towards Starmer's win.

Interestingly, Trump is making the same mistake as the Democrats. He won on inflation and cost of living but he does not seem to understand this. Instead he thinks the culture wars mean the voters will give him a free pass for all the mayhem he is causing farmers and public servants. But the crazy tariffs and sackings will not go unpunished. It is still ' the economy stupid'.

If you're gearing yourself up for a complaint about censorship!, of course you can discuss these things. You know what I mean about the catchphrase, though. It's everywhere.