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Columbine copycat in Edinburgh - what does 'transgender' mean in reporting?

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OhBuggerandArse · 21/02/2025 17:42

The reporting on the BBC has been very clear that he is a boy, but also says that he is transgender. Is this a male who they are calling male, or an FTM?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3w1pg65wz7o

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plantpottie · 28/02/2025 22:39

Enough4me · 21/02/2025 22:15

This young woman didn't need testosterone and lies, she needed medical support to get well.

The times article (to me) seemed to indicate ASD, (at the least) but obviously a very troubled individual. Hope she gets the care and support she needs.

PronounssheRa · 22/02/2025 16:58

Esther Ghey has been the model of dignity.

The inquest into Briannas death flagged all kinds of issues with on line activity including the risk of sexual exploitation. It strikes me that Esther sees the harms, she lived it.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y53ry921zo

plantpottie · 22/02/2025 14:29

Plasmodesmata · 21/02/2025 18:35

I think female, purely because the BBC are saying "boy". Like Dues I was wondering what possible bearing a transgender identity should have on sentencing. If it's to make it more lenient everyone is going to want one.

I agree, the article is literally littered with the word 'boy' in a way that makes the writing style a bit odd.

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 22/02/2025 13:47

Merrymouse · 22/02/2025 12:11

It's a really good, truthful article.

I agree. I plan to buy Esther Ghey’s book based on that article.

TRAs are not happy that Esther Ghey is campaigning for internet restrictions for children and for mindfulness in schools rather than using her (tragic) platform to promote sex changes for minors a la Susie Green.

Merrymouse · 22/02/2025 12:19

Seriestwo · 22/02/2025 11:09

True. I read the interview of Esther Ghey, why was her child’s issues not addressed? Why would anyone think an eating disorder or adhd would be managed with cross sex hormones?

it’s negligence and it’s criminal.

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2025/feb/22/esther-ghey-murder-daughter-brianna-transgender

I don't think it's clear from the article whether there was any clinical involvement, except for the eating disorder.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/02/2025 12:18

A very moving piece.

Merrymouse · 22/02/2025 12:11

It's a really good, truthful article.

Seriestwo · 22/02/2025 11:22

I read it that way too.

any bereaved mother deserves grace, I was shocked by messages she must have seen.

ArabellaScott · 22/02/2025 11:19

That is a heartbreaking article.

'Brett had so many issues, she says – body dysmorphia and dysphoria, asthma, ADHD, appalling eyesight, autism (then undiagnosed). There were times when he couldn’t face school and was a non-attender. At the age of 14, Brett explained that he wanted to transition. Ghey took it in her stride. In the book, she writes: “When the transition happened for Brianna it was perhaps one of the easiest parts of her short life.”'

It seems that 'transition' is presented as a cure-all to a variety of very difficult and complex issues.

Seriestwo · 22/02/2025 11:09

True. I read the interview of Esther Ghey, why was her child’s issues not addressed? Why would anyone think an eating disorder or adhd would be managed with cross sex hormones?

it’s negligence and it’s criminal.

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2025/feb/22/esther-ghey-murder-daughter-brianna-transgender

ArabellaScott · 22/02/2025 09:34

Seriestwo · 22/02/2025 09:08

the report suggests this girl was showing symptoms of violence and intrusive thoughts.

Teachers are not psychiatrists - which is why affirmation in school is such a terrible idea. Mental illnesses are being missed, and that can be dangerous.

Not just teachers. HCPs are missing comorbidities at the mention of 'trans'. Mental health issues are going untreated.

Seriestwo · 22/02/2025 09:08

the report suggests this girl was showing symptoms of violence and intrusive thoughts.

Teachers are not psychiatrists - which is why affirmation in school is such a terrible idea. Mental illnesses are being missed, and that can be dangerous.

Igmum · 22/02/2025 08:57

A vulnerable and mentally disturbed girl pumped full of testosterone is my guess. The health professionals facilitating this should hang their heads in shame.

Seriestwo · 22/02/2025 08:33

Edinburgh city council is hugely captured, which has influences the schools which are also captured.

I wonder whether this case will be discussed as a “near miss” by councillors and the healthcare professionals at gender clinics.

AlexandraLeaving · 22/02/2025 06:56

DuesToTheDirt · 21/02/2025 18:27

Given the BBC's usual stance, this must be a girl identifying as a boy.

Ms McCall KC told the court: "This is a vulnerable young person. He has mental health difficulties.
"He is a transgender person - that would need to be taken into account."

Why the hell should his (or her?) transgender identity be taken into account when assessing or prosecuting this case?

I wondered whether that was code for “this is really a mentally ill girl, but I can’t say so, so that needs to be taken into account when deciding on custody arrangements”.

Enough4me · 22/02/2025 01:22

It's a phase because it's possible to get through it whenever the person wants to (or feels able to). It's called 'detransitioning' but it's just the end of a non-logical idea.

SinnerBoy · 22/02/2025 00:10

It's either a mental disorder or not, they can't have it both ways.

Can they?

ThatsNotMyTeen · 21/02/2025 23:45

What terrible reporting by the BBC, call in the individual not just “he” but “a boy”.

akin to when they called the male murderer Scarlet Blake “a woman” with no prefix either

duc748 · 21/02/2025 22:59

LizzieSiddal · 21/02/2025 22:52

This! I heard the statement on R4 news and thought is this lawyer saying that being trans means you get special treatment when you threaten to go on a killing spree??

Yes, and awful as that statement sounds, doesn't it it equally then concede that a trans identity is some kind of psychopathy, an illness, that should be taken into account?

Hoardasurass · 21/02/2025 22:56

@Areolaborealis Unfortunately the SNP brought in a failed (under a section 33 order upheld in crt) rights of the child bill that enshrines amongst many other ridiculous things the right to an education (one of the few rights under the bill that i agreed with though am now sceptical about it) for everyone under 19, and much like the failed grr bill the SNP have carried on as if it was law. So even though this child was under suspicion of planning a school shooting and he/she was over the school leaving age and age of legal emancipation (16 in Scotland) he/she had to be educated with a college being deemed the most appropriate/least dangerous, as most students would be adults so not his/her chosen targets, or so the risk assessment will say (plausible denighability for the inevitable headlines if it goes wrong).
Whilst I know that I sound a bit like a conspiracy nut once you see the pattern of politics and policy under the SNP you can't miss it everywhere (look at the named person act (ended by judicial review)) add to that the fact that under the SNP they shut parents out of decisions about anything medical, trans and even sexual assault/abuse on the say so of the child (or if they just cant be bothered to contact you as the whole system including flu vaccine consent cuts you out) from 14 onwards due to presumed gillikic competency (even when you have a cognitive assessment by the NHS that says otherwise) which doesn't even work the way they imply it does and you've had to start crt proceedings against your child's school/education department because their presumed gillikic competency almost killed your child for them to agree to keep you in the loop, you can't unsee it.

Sorry about the rant but I've just had it with the fucking SNP bullshit. I do hope it will open some eyes and suggest that anyone interested look up @rogd on X (I think she's on here) and you can see how far this SNP overreach has gone

LizzieSiddal · 21/02/2025 22:52

DuesToTheDirt · 21/02/2025 18:27

Given the BBC's usual stance, this must be a girl identifying as a boy.

Ms McCall KC told the court: "This is a vulnerable young person. He has mental health difficulties.
"He is a transgender person - that would need to be taken into account."

Why the hell should his (or her?) transgender identity be taken into account when assessing or prosecuting this case?

This! I heard the statement on R4 news and thought is this lawyer saying that being trans means you get special treatment when you threaten to go on a killing spree??

ArabellaScott · 21/02/2025 22:36

OhBuggerandArse · 21/02/2025 22:15

They haven't done that in any of the reports except the Times one though. The BBC says 'boy' and 'he' all the way through but then adds that there is a transgender identity (but not what it is), the ITV one just says boy and doesn't even include a mention of transgender. It is not honest, factual reporting, and most people won't realise what the subtext means.

It's impossible discern sex when reporting is gender based. A 'transgender' identity could mean 'non binary', or 'cake gender ' or anything the fuck at all.

It would be more honest to not use any words to describe sex/gender.

This fudge is deliberately misleading.

duc748 · 21/02/2025 22:21

OhBuggerandArse · 21/02/2025 22:15

They haven't done that in any of the reports except the Times one though. The BBC says 'boy' and 'he' all the way through but then adds that there is a transgender identity (but not what it is), the ITV one just says boy and doesn't even include a mention of transgender. It is not honest, factual reporting, and most people won't realise what the subtext means.

Sadly, that the BBC for you, these days, OP. And ITV no better.

ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 21/02/2025 22:21

WaterThyme · 21/02/2025 21:47

IANAL, so would not be confident to say there are no parts of regulations or something else that affects the legislation. However I have extracted from the legislation what I think is relevant.

The Children's Hearings (Scotland) Act 2011 is the most recent legislation I can see.

Section 5 states that “A children's hearing consists of three members of the Children's Panel selected in accordance with section 6 for the purpose of carrying out functions conferred on a children's hearing by virtue of this Act or any other enactment.

Section 6 says: (3)The National Convener must ensure that the children's hearing— (a)F1so far as practicable,] includes both male and female members of the Children's Panel

F1 an addition for Covid.

I don’t see any definition of “male” or “female”, so I fear it is open to interpretation.

The Children’s Hearing website, www.chscotland.gov.uk, has a Resources section which includes EDI stuff. The whole Hearing system seems to be a Public Board. It is not clear to me whether each panel conducting a hearing counts as a Public Board.

It would take someone more knowledgable than me to unravel all the implications of interacting legalities.

Not watertight, as you say, in this world as it currently is. Unfortunately.