Anyone else think Trump will ultimately do more damage to the gender critical cause?

In the state where I used to live, women have died because of lack of access to reproductive healthcare. Young girls have been raped, become pregnant, and been unable to get an abortion. Immigrant children have been locked in cages and separated from their parents, and never reunited in some cases.

Trump has done all of this since last month has he?

There's prioritising an issue and then there's throwing people under the bus. I may not think boys should be competing against girls in track but I am not willing to see anyone die to achieve it.

Look at what's happened to maternal and infant mortality in states that banned abortion. The bans are literally killing women and children. Doctors are leaving those states because the laws make it impossible to practise obstetrics properly.

Trump is one person. He's trying to make himself a dictator, but for now he isn't. His party is behind him, and his party (including his own vice-president) contains a lot of people who are openly against women's rights. You cannot ignore that.

Where is your evidence for this claim?

Honestly, just read the fucking news. Just not the Daily Mail or Fox.

In the state where I used to live, women have died because of lack of access to reproductive healthcare. Young girls have been raped, become pregnant, and been unable to get an abortion. Immigrant children have been locked in cages and separated from their parents, and never reunited in some cases. Honestly, I could go on and on and on, but I doubt we’re going to meet anywhere in the middle. Consider, that this is coming from somebody who is actually gender critical as well.

And, I clearly didn’t say you were associating with the hard right. I said that Trump taking on this cause is giving that impression. Which doesn’t help at all.

Its not tunnel vision. Just because we care about the trans issue doesn't mean we agree with everything else he's doing. Its just that trans is our specialty concern. Its ok to prioritise something. What you're doing is like saying abortion supporters are tunnel-visioned for not focussing on the disabled or on defence. This is our special interest. Your whataboutery isn't helpful.

He’s already responsible for setting women and children’s rights back decades.

Where is your evidence for this claim?

Associating GC with the hard right

We're not associating with the hard right. The hard right have picked up the issue because the Democrats dropped it. Its the Dems fault. Its basically saying if you drink water, so do the hard right so therefore you are hard right. There is crossovers between the two parties on a range of issues. Being in a politically tribalist purity spiral helps no one.

Don't worry. Republican senators are quietly pushing back against cuts. Katie Britt (Alabama) was saying it last week when she realized how much money NASA and the NIH bring to her state. senate republicans always like cutting other people's funding. It will not just be Democrats. The difference is Republicans won't say it under their own names for the most part.

by the way, they're also going after the disabled. Those of you who are solely focused on trans issues have tunnel vision. This will never be good for women. They're trying to distract with a useless order on IVF. But they're also ordering that the FDA study the safety of mifepristone again, among other things. And their orders have meant that some women's groups have had to shut because they're "DEI," like the society of women's engineers.

I totally agree. I’m GC because I believe in biological reality and I care about women and children (and vulnerable men) that are sold a crock and are damaged as a result of this ideology, have their spaces invaded and their families / bodies destroyed.

Trump gives not a single shit about anyone other than himself. He’s already responsible for setting women and children’s rights back decades. Associating GC with the hard right does nothing to educate on the valid concerns and provide mental health care and support to those impacted by it. It just creates division and hate and makes us look like bigots.

As in my post above, if Wisconsin's Democratic Governor is any indication, I think we might possibly all be dead before it happens.

I just think it's self-defeating to insist that we wait for the Democrats to become sane.

Quite, its never going to happen, at least in the next 12 to 15 years. Even Martina (Navratilova - huge Democrat supporter and 'terf') said the Democrats have learned nothing from their defeat. And here's the PROOF they've learned absolutely butt fuck all NOTHING: I just read (on Martina's twitter) that Democrat Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers has introduced a bill that will change state law to replace the word "mother" with "inseminated person."

I betcha anything father will still be father.

Inseminated person. That is what we're (If Evers gets his way) reducing women to now. And some of you still can't see how malicious, malignant and misogynistic this Mens Rights Movement is.

Inseminated person? FUCK OFF! The more this goes on, the more I really am starting to hate trans people. For real.

Yes, I agree

First of all, most of the Musk/DOGE claims about fraud and waste are overinflated or lies. There's howlers. Musk thought that there were 150yos drawing Social Security because he didn't understand how COBOL stores dates. He claimed to have cancelled an $8bn contract that was worth $8M. Every actual budget analyst says the targets for DOGE are impossible. Admittedly I live near DC so budget analysts are a dime a dozen here.

There were interviews with Trump supporters. A lot of the appeal of the anti-trans ads wasn't because they felt strongly about trans people per se. The ads hit on a feeling, which was that the Democrats simply didn't care about them. Far fewer voters cared about trans issues than inflation, and trans issues also got smushed into the general war against DEI (which, by the way, wasn't well defined).

A judge just put a temporary halt on his anti-DEI orders because the plaintiffs argued that the orders were unconstitutionally broad and vague, and they quite probably are; the goal is to see how far they are allowed to go. Maine is making a point on the gender EOs because they want every EO to go through court challenge. A lot of these orders are outright or flirting with unconstitutionality. The point isn't that Trump cares so much about trans people as he sees them as a means to expand executive power.

By the way, "but he appointed a Black man!" isn't proof he's not a racist. Jared and Ivanka just refused to sign something saying he's not an antisemite (see The Guardian) and for his first term it was constant "He can't be an antisemite because Ivanka is Jewish!" He's said things that are antisemitic, racist, and sexist. But Trump isn't the kind of KKK racist who would die rather than have a Black surgeon. His prejudices are less important to him than his own success. If a Black or Latino or Jewish person is useful to him then he'll hire them. Look at his cabinet picks, though: the women don't get the good jobs. One got Education, both traditionally more female and a department he wants to abolish. Elise Stefanik got UN ambassador, which is an insult when you consider what he thinks of the UN, and a job that blocks her from going anywhere. (See: Nikki Haley.) Or in his last administration, putting Ben Carson in charge of HUD. Black people are all urban, I suppose.

Tracking the Legal Showdown Over Trump’s Executive Orders
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/tracking-the-legal-challenges-to-trumps-executive-orders

Congress can challenge EOs but not sure this will happen as Republican majority.

But court cases are coming from ad hoc groups of people and some states.

Up thread I posted that WoLF is monitoring these.

Scott Bessent the Secretary of the Treasury which is a hugely important appointment is gay.
Trump just told to the Governor of Maine, who is a woman! Maine will get no Federal funds by defying the EO and including men in women's sports.
Can anyone explain why the Democrats want to die on the crazy unpopular hill of gender ideology?

Trump is patently not anti-homosexuals. Ridiculous statement. I'm sure there are those in his cabinet who are.

But didn't Biden start some this with a gender-y EO on his first day? I suppose the difference is, the apparatus of government was a lot more sympathetic to Biden than Trump.

Maine has not complied with the EO and is still letting biological males compete in female divisions.

Rathr than not complying isn't it about the fact that it is one of the many EO being challenged in court.

So effectively is not yet a fact.

I'm sure the same applies to some other blue states. Wasn't Newsom harrumphing about this?

Always fun to see the Democrats revert to Confederate nullification.

Maine has not complied with the EO and is still letting biological males compete in female divisions.

https://x.com/i/status/1893013201656201662

Well, yes - the biggest problem was Biden's insistence on running again.

But it certainly didn't help.

Trump owes his victory to gender ideology

Ridiculour over statement.

It was just one issue to exploit to get on side those who dont like the Democrats.

Even if the issue of women and sport reached a wider audience, and even the clever line about them and us which in fact wasn't distributed widely, was more about political attitudes towards how far the state should be involved in people's lives.

Trump and people in the U.S took the lead from women here in the U.K. It is people here who have been doing all of the heavy lifting. As far as I'm concerned Trump is just riding the wave, as populists tend to do.

I know it's difficult but personally think it best not to get too hung up on personalities, and just focus on the issues. We know that most people when they become more conscious of what is involved reject trans ideology. All of the Trump/Musk business is just a distracting hate fest.

Arguably 'Trump owes his victory to gender ideology.

I don't know about doing more damage to the GC issue but I do think he will do a lot more damage to women that trans women ever did.