Anyone else think Trump will ultimately do more damage to the gender critical cause?

@TempestTost

It's a huge mistake to make the claims about pet eating about the colour of people's skin. Lots of Americans are black, and a lot of them are increasingly upset about the immigration issues, it's one of the things pushing black Americans toward voting for Republican candidates. Some may believe the idea that they are somehow primitive and therefore would eat pets, but guess what, if they do, it's not because of their race.

I'm genuinely baffled. Haitians are not white. Their culture is different to standard US white culture (however that exists). That is exactly what Trump playing on with his comments. Don't even get me started on " "whiteness" is posited as an inherently evil ideology that needs to be repudiated, which is also getting pushback from regular people. More polarization, again". I'm surprised that you posted that. It's cultural propaganda and yes, it exists just to divide.

Someone would not believe I had not got my point if view from Trump, or somewhere like ‘the Daily Mail’.

Trump is set to increase the deficit and the national debt with tax cuts. Like he did in his first term. There are many tax fixes we could make to fix social security and Medicare; Trump doesn't want them.

These cuts are absurd. Every day you get another story about someone they laid off who shouldn't have been. And Elon Musk makes another claim about fraud that turns out to be a lie. It's estimated that fraud is only 3% of the entire federal budget. He's trying to distract people by promising $5,000 cheques per household, but if you do the maths you realise it's impossible; it would require the federal budget to be cut by 50%.

If you want to find real fraud, you send in forensic accountants (and by the way they do! there's regular audits of every government programme) and not a 19yo nicknamed "Big Balls" who was fired from a previous job because he violated security rules.

Another twist on affirmative action (which has been narrowed by law before): Veterans got a nasty surprise when they realised that they are beneficiaries of DEI because the government has veteran hiring preferences. It's also having significant impacts on people with disabilities.

I did not say that programs to help minorities were not allowed in the UK, speaking of being disingenuous.

The kind of affirmative action that is allowed in the US is not, by law, allowed in the UK. That is a straightforward, factual statement.

Yes, this.

You would think after years of dealing with TRAs, people would understand why it's important to use words accurately.

Inaccurate and misleading language has been a significant element of the "culture wars" and it is making people extremely cynical.

It's a huge mistake to make the claims about pet eating about the colour of people's skin. Lots of Americans are black, and a lot of them are increasingly upset about the immigration issues, it's one of the things pushing black Americans toward voting for Republican candidates. Some may believe the idea that they are somehow primitive and therefore would eat pets, but guess what, if they do, it's not because of their race.

This kind of sloppy language is part of the reason Democrats can't seem to understand what is going on - they think it's all about race, and can't figure out why they are losing non-white voters as well.

It's also the thinking that leads to theories where "whiteness" is posited as an inherently evil ideology that needs to be repudiated, which is also getting pushback from regular people. More polarization, again.

Not every problem is racism.

I agree, OP.

I hope it isn't going to be a case of, "Trump is bad, therefore the opposite of everything he stands for is good."

Set tax levels that cover required spending ?
Tax billionaires ?
Halve military spending ?

Tax cuts drive deficits. Tax cuts benefit the super rich.
Scandinavia has no deficits and high taxes.

We have a 2 Trillion dollar deficit. What do you suggest we do if not cut back on govt and waste and fraud?
Social Security and Medicare will collapse otherwise.

Precisely. "The leopards won't eat MY face!"

A lot of faces have been eaten the past month, especially of the "I wanted the government to cut jobs but not MY job" variety.

I cant help it that some in the US think he is their salvation, because that's a bit like thinking a serial cheater will somehow not cheat on you.

this is it. And as long as the only people he is hurting is not them, then why would they care anyway?

Who is this 'we' you speak of?

Yes I understand that EO was written by May Mailman and that she very much does have a clue.

I don't pretend to have a grasp of US politics but Kara Dansky, who describes herself as a lifelong Democrat, and who literally wrote the book on how the Democrats have betrayed women, described the Executive Order on Sex and Gender (January 20th) as 'a significant step toward eliminating the scourge of “gender identity.'

Her initial analysis - both the positives and the limitations - is here:
https://karadansky.substack.com/p/defending-women-from-gender-ideology?utm_source=publication-search

May Mailman, President Trump's attorney wrote that Executive Order. She is very keen to end men in women's sports and men in women's spaces.

He doesn't have a clue.

What exactly are you criticising here? The only issue I can see is that he uses "gender" where he means "sex", but this is a common euphemism in the US and elsewhere (see RBG). It's clear that he isn't using "gender" as a shorthand for "gender identity".

a civilised country creates policy through legislation, not threats

The action against Maine isn't some extralegal threat, and doesn't need new legislation - it's purely a matter of enforcing existing legislation, namely Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972.

"terms such as "gender identity" are not to be considered in policymaking."

"Government-issued documents, including passports and personnel records, will reflect sex as defined under the order and not gender identity."

Trump: "As of today, it will henceforth be the official policy of the United States government that there are only two genders"

He doesn't have a clue.

Also, much as I think the Governor of Maine is wrong, a civilised country creates policy through legislation, not threats.

American politics is currently a complete sewer and as far as possible we need to avoid swimming in it.

Back to Trump damaging the gender critical cause. Below is the executive order Trump signed. I don't know whether this will damage any rights but on reading, it is an order to protect women's rights. Trump himself is certainly a Bovril character and this will ensure the split between progressives and traditionalists will continue with progressives stating that this bill will eliminate trans people and remove their rights. However just the reading of the order indicates clarity and a confirmation of sex and not gender.

The order asserts that only two sexes—male and female—exist, and mandates that all federal programs, documents, and regulations reflect this definition.
The executive order, citing the protection of women’s rights and public safety, directs federal agencies to:
・Recognize Two Immutable Sexes: All federal policies must adhere to definitions based on biological classification at conception. "Female" and "male" are defined by reproductive roles, and terms such as "gender identity" are not to be considered in policymaking.
・Revise Identification Documents: Government-issued documents, including passports and personnel records, will reflect sex as defined under the order and not gender identity.
・Eliminate Gender Identity Policies: Federal agencies must rescind all policies, programs, and guidance related to gender ideology, and cease funding for initiatives that promote gender identity-based recognition.
・Protect Single-Sex Spaces: The order emphasizes the enforcement of sex-based distinctions in spaces such as domestic abuse shelters, prisons, restrooms, and sports, ensuring that biological females have exclusive access to women’s spaces.
・Rescind Prior Policies: Executive orders from the Biden administration related to gender identity inclusion—such as those expanding Title IX protections to include gender identity—have been revoked.

In signing the order, President Trump stated, “We are restoring common sense and protecting women’s rights by reaffirming the biological reality of sex. This order ensures that American policies are grounded in truth and science, not ideology.”
The executive order mandates federal agencies to implement the new policies within 120 days, with regular reporting to the White House. Agencies must adjust their internal regulations, forms, and procedures to comply with the new directive.
The order also tasks the Attorney General with ensuring legal enforcement of single-sex protections and overseeing efforts to prevent federal funding from being used to support gender ideology initiatives.

Parroting false claims against minorities after they have been shown to be false is something i never ever thought i would have to explain is racist.....

It's only racist if the minority is distinguished by race. Claiming that all gay men are paedophiles is a false claim about a minority, but it is not racist.

it was also debunked by the law enforcement officers in the district mentioned, and even after that he STILL repeated it because he knew it got headlines and attention. Parroting false claims against minorities after they have been shown to be false is something i never ever thought i would have to explain is racist.....

Agreed. It was a racist accusation made to appeal to racists.

Honestly, this thread is a bizarre read.

@TempestTost

Yes, it was a crazy statement about a group of immigrants.

The issue was they were immigrants who, according to the story, were not able to buy food as they had no jobs, and so were eating pet.

That is not a racist claim, any more than it would be racist if it was a group of Polish people.

It seems like you don't know what the word racism means.

Tempest, that's not quite the story, and you know it. Trump marginalised these people on the basis of unsubstantiated anecdotes and made them targets. It was inferred that civilised white people would never do such things as they are better. That is textbook racism.

I'm not sure why you're so opposed to the idea. Is it simply because I'm saying it?

Quite honestly I am finding this relentless whining and its not fair rather boring.

Programmes that are set up to help people from disadvantaged communities are allowed in the UK, the same as NASA or whoever it was had a programme for getting women into space.

Get a grip.

It wasn't the firing someone, but the deliberate insulting of them in public by saying they are fakes is the problem.

Maybe you just dont get it. Maybe you think this is how people in public office should behave.

Even if Trump was right on some things, he is utterly despised for his behaviour, what he says and how he behaves.

The fact that he has no loyalties and genuinely doesn't seem to understand he is now a politician and not a business man is a thread to the world.

I cant help it that some in the US think he is their salvation, because that's a bit like thinking a serial cheater will somehow not cheat on you.

The real worry is that he is so utterly lacking in logic, basic understanding, that he will end up starting WWIII.

Te kind of affirmative action that goes on in the US is not allowed in the UK.

Unless you mean something different.

Oops that's 197 officers, my mistake

Thanks for mentioning that. I haven't RT(entire)FT, after my fit of eye-rolling at the OP. I'm a big fan of Tulsi.