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Persuading a TA to change her mind

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HalfArsedTerf · 19/02/2025 19:21

I am passionate about women's fightback against the aggressive gender activists but at the same time I am dependent on my income from running a small business in a small town, so cannot be "out" for fear of TA doing something to harm me. So I do what I can, anonymously on here and on X.

On my FB feed I repost GC news to "friends only". I share screenshots showing the latest madness (e.g. men in women's sports, toilets, prisons etc.) By doing this I have successfully peaked a number of friends. Coward that I am, I never make any comment of my own, so nobody can ever quote me saying something "twansfobic" and then using it to punish me financially.

I found out that a local acquaintance who has for 15 years been on my FB friends list blocked me. When a mutual acquaintance asked why she cited my so-called transphobia. She can only be basing this on my sharing screenshots of news reports on FB.

I don't really understand why a disagreement on this issue means she has to block me. I have a few thousand FB friends and bet we have different views on religion, political allegiance, sexuality, etc. This seems to be the ONE issue which leads to being sent to Coventry.

She is past middle age and (like me) a wheelchair user who is a disability rights campaigner. Her profile declares she is a lifelong feminist, so I find her stance incomprehensible.

I worry that she may poison half the town against me by spreading news of what a hateful bigot she imagines I am and urging other local people to ostracise me.

When I go out I frequently encounter her and although I am nervous I have decided that if I see her, I will confront her, woman to woman, face to face, on this issue. I will try my best to be calm, rational and friendly.

I keep rehearsing things to say in the hope of making her see that agreeing with genderists' demands is not compatible with either feminism or the rights of the disabled to same-sex care. I have seen her advertise for female carers so it's puzzling that she had taken the genderists' side.

Any ideas on what I can say to her that will induce a "light-bulb" moment and make her realise that she is supporting an ideology that harms women, especially the disabled?

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Holeinamole · 20/02/2025 17:00

Oh, another thing. I never get derailed by personal attacks, even if they upset me.

It’s not fanatical to object strongly to what has been happening in the last ten years, including a huge medical sandal, abuse of power and rank misogyny. I feel disgust when I think of those who cheered this on. But there comes a time when some of those people will be rightly seen as fanatics, ranting on about a mythical ‘trans genocide’. The opportunists will have to make a choice whether to join the fanatics or quietly row back and abandon certain absurd notions. So sorry true believers, it hurts when someone sells you down the river …

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/02/2025 16:59

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LarasLupins · 20/02/2025 16:51

Just face it - the real reason for all your concern is that you're worried she's going to say something about you to people that might impact your business. It's not your need to convert her to your way of thinking and get her to see the light.
In which case stop posting stuff that you won't wholeheartedly stand up and be proud of.

Christinapple · 20/02/2025 16:46

Firstly, you are accusing her of being a "TA" (trans activist?), but from your post she doesn't seem to have done anything other than block you presumably in response to you posting frequently relating to trans people.

Just out of interest, how frequently are you posting these articles? Even if what you are posting is reasonable if it's too much or non-stop it can IMO come across as strange or uncomfortable to people who don't follow this topic.

You said you've never commented on them so that means you can't be accused of any wrongdoing, but you also say you are trying to "convert" people's views by posting them and there is an implication are you posting a lot.

Lastly, generally if someone blocks you on social media (not just unfriend, a complete block) then perhaps you should let them go instead of "confronting" them when it's clear they don't want anything to do with you anymore. You aren't going to "convert" them and any attempt to won't be received well.

IMHO.

Glitterknickerbockers · 20/02/2025 16:38

There's a big difference between believing in science and unhinged rants about child abuse and for ed mastectomies love.

I'm a scientist by profession. Biologist in fact. Your deleted comments ranting about transgender people sounded fanatical, a lot of people have a problem with fanatics.

Holeinamole · 20/02/2025 16:26

Hi OP, I do understand where you are coming from. When I think about the many horrific injustices that have happened as a result of gender identity ideology, it does upset me, deeply. And I also know that for too long, supporters of this ideology have gotten away with say ‘oh, it’s just a few isolated cases … anyway, live and let live, right?!’

And yet … I also have to ask myself, what is more important, winning the argument and stopping the injustices, or finally making my political opponents see the light, grovel and apologise? This would give me great personal satisfaction, for sure.

At the end of the day, though, winning is more important. If that means having to hold my tongue when people, who I know for a fact were condemning any slight deviation from TWAW four years ago, now suggest ‘oh, of course we have to look at prisons and sports’ (Stella Creasy) or remove their pronouns (politicians and quite a few people of my personal acquaintance), then I will have to hold my tongue. It also means, I have to keep my job, so I can fight another day. But I’ll never forget, ever. There will be a reckoning at some point but our victories are too fragile at the moment.

PinkFrogss · 20/02/2025 16:03

HalfArsedTerf · 20/02/2025 15:39

Why not hit them with this appalling crime against children?

But by the sounds of it she already knows about it as she’s seen the articles you’ve shared on Facebook. You’re unlikely to peak her by starting an argument, especially if it’s in public.

I think other posters suggestions to bring it up at relevant points of conversation (E.g about female only carers) are good. But it’s possible she’ll simply never agree with you and it’s up to you how much time and energy you want to potentially waste on it.

Sometimes it’s okay to take a step back for the sake of your own sanity and happiness.

anon2022anon · 20/02/2025 15:49

And again: also GC here.
Just because I don't agree your way is the right way does not make me a TRA. That sounds just like the arguments that they employ, and don't appear to be doing them any good.

anon2022anon · 20/02/2025 15:47

Right. Or you could stop getting yourself so worked up when some people don't have the same opinion as you, for something that you asked on an open forum for opinions on.

Maybe a conversation with her will go down great, you definitely seem like the type of person who will 100% keep your calm and come across rational and change her mind 👍🏻
Good luck!

HalfArsedTerf · 20/02/2025 15:44

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/02/2025 09:47

Another perspective: she has blocked you because she realises that TWAW has become untenable these days, and that it is actually her who looks like a fool. She can’t confront you because she knows you are right, so she is resorting to the petty, pointless act of blocking you. Next time you meet her, just give her an extra nice smile. The facts speak for themselves.

I think this is often the case (not saying it definitely is in your case). Cognitive dissonance is a heavy load, and people don't like having it pierced and having to confront these issues.

Thanks. This could well be the case. How can she advertise for female only carers (she needs bathing etc) and at the same time believe TWAW?

I am shocked at the number of TRA's on this so called women's rights board calling me names and questioning my sanity, when I am the one who believes in science, ffs.

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HalfArsedTerf · 20/02/2025 15:40

LarasLupins · 20/02/2025 14:50

This sounds a bit unhinged tbh. I routinely block people who happen to be annoying me for whatever reason, or who keep banging on about a subject when my interest is in a different direction at the moment. Sometimes I just decide I don't much like the person. To be considering confronting the poor woman and trying to convert her to your viewpoint seems crazy behaviour. Unless she brings it up herself and wants to discuss it with it would be better to leave it. Also just don't post things that you think might have a negative effect on your business. I imagine posting things without giving a clue what your viewpoint is is probably quite annoying too. I wouldn't know what to think of someone who did that. But anyway I think you're making a much bigger deal of it than us necessary, I doubt she gives you a thought.

I don't bang on, it's about 1% of what I post.

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HalfArsedTerf · 20/02/2025 15:39

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/02/2025 14:13

Kindly, if you want to peak people you need to be more subtle than that, in my experience.

Why not hit them with this appalling crime against children?

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Glitterknickerbockers · 20/02/2025 15:35

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LarasLupins · 20/02/2025 14:50

This sounds a bit unhinged tbh. I routinely block people who happen to be annoying me for whatever reason, or who keep banging on about a subject when my interest is in a different direction at the moment. Sometimes I just decide I don't much like the person. To be considering confronting the poor woman and trying to convert her to your viewpoint seems crazy behaviour. Unless she brings it up herself and wants to discuss it with it would be better to leave it. Also just don't post things that you think might have a negative effect on your business. I imagine posting things without giving a clue what your viewpoint is is probably quite annoying too. I wouldn't know what to think of someone who did that. But anyway I think you're making a much bigger deal of it than us necessary, I doubt she gives you a thought.

anon2022anon · 20/02/2025 14:18

@HalfArsedTerf no, that's your opinion. For what's it's worth, I also don't agree with it. But I don't agree with all sorts of shit in the world, or I'm on the fence about other stuff, or I actively don't think about some beyond my original learning of it. We all do. Others have different opinions. This is just the drum you've chosen to bang. Others might choose whatever the hell they want, or nothing at all. Are you sharing shit about, idk, the marriage laws in other countries being lowered, about abortion rights in America, about the lack of mental health support in the UK, about the way autism diagnosis is on the increase but the way the country is set up isn't changing, which is a possible cause of some kids wanting to transition? Or disability rights, or a million other things that we can all join in on? Or have you chosen your subject and YOU have decided, that's what all other people should have at the top of the agenda?

I, and this woman, are allowed to block people if we feel that their behaviour is annoying, or excessive, or that they're all talk and no action, or a million different reasons. You, as the person who has been blocked, have absolutely no right to keep on giving your opinion to her, she hasn't asked for it, she's actively avoiding it.

You can keep on, you can confront her, but you do so knowing that you are likely to piss off someone who has shown you they don't want to see it, and so the repercussions might affect you or your business. If you've changed your mind from the OP and it's worth the risk, crack on.

Greyskybluesky · 20/02/2025 14:17

CocoapuffPuff · 20/02/2025 10:00

Separate your business fb from your personal profile, if you haven't already.

Business - keep it professional and related to your business. Posts relating to your private life should be linked to your business somehow. Boundaries.

Personal - use it how you want and accept that some people won't like what you say. Set your own boundaries and accept that others have them, too.

I think this is the way to go

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/02/2025 14:13

HalfArsedTerf · 20/02/2025 13:44

@anon2022anon

"3- a great big chunk of people in real life don't care. "

Then they should be made to. Sitting back whilst ghouls convince little girls to have their breasts amputated is an abrogration of responsibility towards other human beings.

Kindly, if you want to peak people you need to be more subtle than that, in my experience.

HalfArsedTerf · 20/02/2025 13:44

@anon2022anon

"3- a great big chunk of people in real life don't care. "

Then they should be made to. Sitting back whilst ghouls convince little girls to have their breasts amputated is an abrogration of responsibility towards other human beings.

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Branleuse · 20/02/2025 13:43

just let it go.
Ive lost loads of friends over this issue, but ive gained a lot more.

Think of it as the trash that took itself out.

HalfArsedTerf · 20/02/2025 13:41

Occasionalnamechanger · 20/02/2025 11:08

As an additional thought, I noticed in your OP that you seemed to be pretty contemptuous of people who didn't agree with you (e.g. - writing 'twansfobia' instead of 'transphobia'). Were you posting things with that kind of tone? I think that's the kind of thing that makes it harder for people to 'agree to disagree' .

And of course, it's your right to not want to be friends with people who don't agree with you, but I feel like it's maybe a bit unreasonable to then be upset when people then distance themselves from you.

Not contempt but RIDICULE.

I write it like that because "transphobia" is a very stupid, made-up word whose only purpose is to silence even the smallest, politest and most reasonable objections to allowing men to enter female safe spaces which are protected in British law, to beat women in women's sports and to putting rapists in women's prisons.

"Transphobia" is a thought-terminating cliche, a weapon to silence women (and men) who have concerns about children being mutilated and put on wrong sex hormones.

I don't suffer from a "phobia", I merely wish to uphold existing law and the social contract.

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Glitterknickerbockers · 20/02/2025 13:03

Occasionalnamechanger · 20/02/2025 11:08

As an additional thought, I noticed in your OP that you seemed to be pretty contemptuous of people who didn't agree with you (e.g. - writing 'twansfobia' instead of 'transphobia'). Were you posting things with that kind of tone? I think that's the kind of thing that makes it harder for people to 'agree to disagree' .

And of course, it's your right to not want to be friends with people who don't agree with you, but I feel like it's maybe a bit unreasonable to then be upset when people then distance themselves from you.

Couldn't agree more! The ranting about the blue haired brigade says a lot about the kind of person the OP is too.

The fretting about people blocking you and stereotyping all the people who disagree with you and the very strange obsession with one person being able to ruin your business as well as deciding to confront someone who hasn't done anything to you is incredibly childish OP.

Leave the poor woman alone! She clearly wants nothing to do with you.

Occasionalnamechanger · 20/02/2025 11:08

As an additional thought, I noticed in your OP that you seemed to be pretty contemptuous of people who didn't agree with you (e.g. - writing 'twansfobia' instead of 'transphobia'). Were you posting things with that kind of tone? I think that's the kind of thing that makes it harder for people to 'agree to disagree' .

And of course, it's your right to not want to be friends with people who don't agree with you, but I feel like it's maybe a bit unreasonable to then be upset when people then distance themselves from you.

Travelodge · 20/02/2025 10:37

I wouldn’t "confront" her or try to make her change her mind, for fear it will just antagonise and inflame her further and lead her to do mischief.

If you feel you must do something, perhaps just say (or write to her) saying you’re sorry to hear that she considers you transphobic as you're not and would want all trans people to live their lives in peace and security. You do feel strongly on the subject of women's single-sex spaces, sports, etc. and realise that she has different opinions, but hope that the two of you can just politely agree to disagree.

Arguing with her won’t change her mind.