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In quite the turnaround Scottish Labour say the support Sandie Peggie, and would not support the GRR bill "knowing what they know now"!

340 replies

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 18/02/2025 14:51

x.com/holyroodsources/status/1891851822278590711?s=46&t=AjtjSItRj-kgZwRzL-pdyQ

FFS. What is different now? It's not as if they weren't told over and over again what the consequences would be. 🙄

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littlbrowndog · 20/02/2025 12:10

He is pursuing it because snp greens and labour are denying it

littlbrowndog · 20/02/2025 12:08

He is.

DontTellMeWhat2Do · 20/02/2025 12:08

Swinney behaving as expected....

littlbrowndog · 20/02/2025 12:03

It’s first question. On now

WarriorN · 20/02/2025 11:58

I am just catching up and have had my head buried in work.

Are we pretending that the constitutional crisis, whereby Westminster had to step in and over rule Holyrood, never happened?

Confused
fromorbit · 20/02/2025 11:54

Gina Davison from LBC caught up with Sarwar and asked him about an apology to all the women who WARNED about this and who is to blame. Watch here:

NEW: Yesterday Anas Sarwar said he backed Sandie Peggie re her concerns about single sex changing rooms in NHS Fife and if he’d known at the time of the GRR bill what he knows now he would not have had his party vote for it.
@LBC caught up with him today
https://x.com/ginadavidsonlbc/status/1892167308518265138

Guess what he evaded the question and just blamed everything on the SNP. Having Sarwar switching sides is great, but still so much to be done.

Washinghanginginthesun · 20/02/2025 11:53

DontTellMeWhat2Do · 20/02/2025 11:41

I think the presiding officer (not speaker) was elected as a member of the Scottish Greens, so there you go!

Or rather the greens got enough votes on the regional list (6% is enough) to appoint her as an MSP.

littlbrowndog · 20/02/2025 11:50

MorrisZapp · 20/02/2025 11:16

Swinney to face questions at 12 noon. Get the kettle on!

Turns on the telly and kettle

MorrisZapp · 20/02/2025 11:49

STV say Swinney is likely to face questions about same sex spaces but doesn't give further detail.

BunfightBetty · 20/02/2025 11:47

DontTellMeWhat2Do · 20/02/2025 11:41

I think the presiding officer (not speaker) was elected as a member of the Scottish Greens, so there you go!

Thank-you got enlightening me as to the correct term! And apologies for using the English term. That figures, she had a face like a smacked arse yesterday when the MSP was quizzing her as to how any and all questions relating to the Peggie tribunal had coincidentally not made the cut, despite their timeliness and the massive public interest.

I think if she disallows questions on it today, she’s going to find it hard to maintain that she’s impartial.

DontTellMeWhat2Do · 20/02/2025 11:41

I think the presiding officer (not speaker) was elected as a member of the Scottish Greens, so there you go!

BunfightBetty · 20/02/2025 11:37

Are the questions pre-vetted? Because the Speaker equivalent (sorry, I should know the term, apologies that I don’t), seems to have been determined to keep relevant questions off the lists since the Peggie trial.

MorrisZapp · 20/02/2025 11:16

Swinney to face questions at 12 noon. Get the kettle on!

maximalistmaximus · 20/02/2025 10:59

Bare faced cheek

lcakethereforeIam · 20/02/2025 10:37

So many fools, so little time

Mr T 80S GIF
SionnachRuadh · 20/02/2025 10:15

ArabellaScott · 20/02/2025 10:08

https://www.thetimes.com/article/5e7d69df-9627-4a76-aa10-526ae3c23680?shareToken=03e9eddc87c3274982c319ce6efad242

'When the great historian Robert Conquest was considering a new title for a new edition of his withering account of Stalin’s purges, The Great Terror, his friend Kingsley Amis suggested it should be re-released as I Told You So, You F*ing Fools. '

Where is Mr T when you need him? There are some fools who need pitying.

Washinghanginginthesun · 20/02/2025 10:14

CocoapuffPuff · 20/02/2025 08:29

I nearly fainted in shock when I read that this morning.

Unbiased (mostly) reporting on the BBC????

If I knew where the fragrant Upton was lurking nowadays, I'd send him a massive bunch of flowers. He has single handedly done what many rapists and student union officers were incapable of - peak the whole bloody nation.

Clearly, the population doesnae give a crap about women in jail and kids at University, but they DO seem to understand it very clearly when nurses and patients are at risk.

Hardly. They are trying to fudge it. It is been determined repeatedly in law that any man who identifies as trans but doesn’t have a GRC is a man in law and has no right to female spaces. The Supreme Court case is only about those with a GRC. There is no question that Dr Upton has no right to the female changing room.

Also note the out of focus picture of Dr Upton.

ArabellaScott · 20/02/2025 10:08

https://www.thetimes.com/article/5e7d69df-9627-4a76-aa10-526ae3c23680?shareToken=03e9eddc87c3274982c319ce6efad242

'When the great historian Robert Conquest was considering a new title for a new edition of his withering account of Stalin’s purges, The Great Terror, his friend Kingsley Amis suggested it should be re-released as I Told You So, You F*ing Fools. '

CocoapuffPuff · 20/02/2025 08:29

IwantToRetire · 20/02/2025 01:38

I think the BBC must have been reading this thread and others on FWR.

There are parts which I think they have got wrong but they had admitted there is an issue, and we are all waiting on the FWS court ruling!

Is there a lack of clarity around UK's gender laws?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgj5veng7nyo

(I wonder if their Gender and Identity reporter was consulted on the content of this article!)

Edited

I nearly fainted in shock when I read that this morning.

Unbiased (mostly) reporting on the BBC????

If I knew where the fragrant Upton was lurking nowadays, I'd send him a massive bunch of flowers. He has single handedly done what many rapists and student union officers were incapable of - peak the whole bloody nation.

Clearly, the population doesnae give a crap about women in jail and kids at University, but they DO seem to understand it very clearly when nurses and patients are at risk.

IwantToRetire · 20/02/2025 02:39

This doesn't really belong here but having found it by accident wanted to post. Happy if anyone thinks it should have its own thread!

From the Scottish Register of Tartans - Witches of Scotland

This design and all products created with it is for the exclusive use of The Witches of Scotland Limited. This tartan can be worn by anyone.
This tartan can only be woven with permission granted by any officer of the Witches of Scotland Limited.

This design was created to memorialise those who suffered as a result of The Witchcraft Act 1563 to 1736 in Scotland. This tartan will be woven to make products to help create a ‘living memorial’. The black & grey colours are intended to represent both the dark times of this period and ashes of those burned. It also incorporates red & pink colours, symbolic of the legal tapes used to bind papers both during that time and now.

https://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/tartanDetails?ref=14651

IwantToRetire · 20/02/2025 01:38

I think the BBC must have been reading this thread and others on FWR.

There are parts which I think they have got wrong but they had admitted there is an issue, and we are all waiting on the FWS court ruling!

Is there a lack of clarity around UK's gender laws?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgj5veng7nyo

(I wonder if their Gender and Identity reporter was consulted on the content of this article!)

Waitwhat23 · 19/02/2025 20:53

And more....WRN Scotland, Jenny Lindsey and Maggi Gibson

Honorary mentions to -
Neale Hanvey, Dr Michael Foran, Murdo Fraser and Douglas Ross

Waitwhat23 · 19/02/2025 20:09

We were also incredibly lucky to have the powerhouse women of -

MBM
For Women Scotland
Scottish Feminist Network
Scottish Lesbians
JKR
Elaine Miller
Joanna Cherry, Johanne Lamont, Joan McAlpine, Ash Regan, Carol Mochan, Claire Baked, Pam Gosal, Tess White
Rhona Hotchkiss
Roz Anderson
Peggie Sandie

And many more I've undoubtedly missed off by accident.

I dread to think where we'd be now if it hadn't been for them.

Needspaceforlego · 19/02/2025 20:03

@DontTellMeWhat2Do i think all of it is flag waving Number 4.

Devolution / Independence SNP seem to want to be as different to Westminster as possible. They did the same with covid then it came out in the enquiry there was no science behind the Holyrood restrictions.