In quite the turnaround Scottish Labour say the support Sandie Peggie, and would not support the GRR bill "knowing what they know now"!

Coming before ten

Times Radio now, Joanna Cherry on Sandie Peggie v Fife

Important - The Scottish Labour conference this weekend will be voting on whether Scotland should protect kids

Cass review
While a motion on the Cass review, submitted by the Glasgow Cathcart CLP, calls for Scottish Labour to back the withdrawal of Scottish Government Guidance covering the affirmation of transgender young people in schools.

The motion says the policy of “unquestioning affirmation” of transgender identity in school children is “not congruent” with the Cass review – which recommends “watchful waiting” instead.

Instead, it calls for “support to be provided to gender dysphoric children and gender questioning children” in line with the recommendations of the Cass review.

Questions around self-identification remain controversial in Scotland. Children’s author JK Rowling previously campaigned against gender recognition legislation proposed by then-First Minister Nicola Sturgeon.

Campaign group Labour Women’s Declaration Scotland called on Scottish Labour’s leadership to back the Glasgow Cathcart motion in support of the Cass Review, adding: “Now is time for Scottish Labour to make sure that biological sex is recognised as real and relevant in every aspect of policy and that Cass Review is implemented in full”.
https://labourlist.org/2025/02/labour-scottish-conference-motions-list/

So two things to watch

A - Do Sarwar and others back this motion?
B - Do the delegates as a whole back it?

If it passes it will be a positive step.

Also there is a LWD event and stall at the conference again. Be interesting to see the public support for them.

Alex Massie writes about first minister's questions (or whatever it is actually called) every Thursday in the Times. Here is yesterday's:
https://www.thetimes.com/article/8def053a-60f3-427a-bebe-177c012217f6?shareToken=c69f635ffdd9fc4bb978259a3408d709

We need to keep this in the press. the number of people who have said to me “I can’t believe this nurse story” after I’ve been banging on at them for years about sex and gender is heartening. Actually, it’s fucking annoying because they should have listened, but you know what I mean.

No excuse morris.

they get paid to do a job and just cos we are women does not mean they can ignore us

which is what they did in Scotland and they are still ignoring us

@MorrisZapp Yes, yes they ignored us and put their fingers in their ears but they were under huge pressure to do so from the tantrum crowd, and possibly believed the electorate were leaning lanyard wise.

No, I can't forgive them. We elect them to govern the country and I expect them to be accountable to their voters and to look after the interests of their voters. But not only did they ignore women's rights, they explicitly locked us out of the conversation. Politicians are not stupid people, they need a certain amount of intelligence to get where they are. So that means they just didn't give a shiny shit about us and knowingly threw us under a bus.

Totally agree. It's amongst the many things they don't think through.

They must have known sooner or later it would all blow up. I wonder if Dr Beth really thought he'd end up in the news like Ms Isla?

Quite funny parallel both had been married two women in a heterosexual marriage, even if Isla was divorced, before deciding to become trans.

From a women's POV how do you tell the difference between Beth who maybe has some form of body dysmorphia and Isla who's probably looking for their next rape victim?

I think it was convenient for Kate that she had an excuse not to be there.

The Scottish Labour Party conference, which starts tomorrow, should be interesting

Anas Sarwar calls for clear guidance on single-sex spaces - BBC News

Yep. There was considerable speculation at the time that the SNP were trying to push the vote to happen before she returned, knowing that she wouldn't support it -

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-leadership-contest-kate-forbes-admits-she-would-not-have-voted-for-scottish-governments-gender-recognition-reform-bill-4033579

@Waitwhat23 thanks for the list. Have I remembered right that Kate Forbes was on mat leave at that time?

Not to mention those who were pushed or left their parties because of it. It's political kryptonite.

For example, people like Andy Wightman who left the Scottish Greens after the Forensic Medical Examiner Services Bill vote -

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/18/scottish-greens-msp-resigns-claiming-intolerance-over-women-and-trans-rights

I take the list of those who voted for the GRR as a litmus test of who is a fool of a politician (for either being a true believer, really not giving one single shit about women and girls and/or for being so credulous they can be brainwashed by bullshit) -

GRR vote - 22/12/2022

SNP

• Alasdair Allan
• Angela Constance
• Angus Robertson
• Audrey Nicoll
• Ben Macpherson
• Bill Kidd
• Bob Doris
• Christina McKelvie
• Christine Grahame
• Clare Adamson
• Clare Haughey
• Colin Beattie
• Collette Stevenson
• David Torrance
• Elena Whitham
• Emma Harper
• Emma Roddick
• Evelyn Tweed
• Fiona Hyslop
• Fulton MacGregor
• George Adam
• Gillian Martin
• Gordon MacDonald
• Graeme Dey
• Humza Yousaf
• Ivan McKee
• Jackie Dunbar
• James Dornan
• Jamie Hepburn
• Jenni Minto
• Jenny Gilruth
• Joe FitzPatrick
• John Swinney
• Karen Adam
• Kaukab Stewart
• Keith Brown
• Kevin Stewart
• Mairi Gougeon
• Màiri McAllan
• Maree Todd
• Marie McNair
• Michael Matheson
• Natalie Don-Innes
• Neil Gray
• Nicola Sturgeon
• Paul McLennan
• Richard Lochhead
• Rona Mackay
• Shirley-Anne Somerville
• Shona Robison
• Siobhian Brown
• Stuart McMillan
• Tom Arthur
• Willie Coffey

Conservative

• Dr. Sandesh Gulhane
• Jackson Carlaw
• Jamie Greene

Labour

• Alex Rowley
• Anas Sarwar
• Colin Smyth
• Daniel Johnson
• Foysol Choudhury
• Jackie Baillie
• Katy Clark
• Mark Griffin
• Martin Whitfield
• Mercedes Villalba
• Monica Lennon
• Neil Bibby
• Pam Duncan-Glancy
• Paul O'Kane
• Paul Sweeney
• Rhoda Grant
• Richard Leonard
• Sarah Boyack

Greens

• Gillian Mackay
• Lorna Slater
• Maggie Chapman
• Mark Ruskell
• Patrick Harvie
• Ross Greer

Liberal Democrat

• Alex Cole-Hamilton
• Beatrice Wishart
• Liam McArthur
• Willie Rennie

Hmmm. How many politicians are going to be casualties of genderism?

Shona Robison. Shirley-Ann Somerville. Nicola Sturgeon. John Swinney. The Scottish Green Party.

Not to mention those who were pushed or left their parties because of it. It's political kryptonite.

I’ve just watched. Great questioning from Findlay and Gosal.

STUC have come out to condemn labour's u-turn.

The labour conference will be really interesting. I doubt Sarwar will last long tbh.

Labour can't survive without the unions and the unions get away with this pish because most members aren't aware of their unions stance on this matter. Even if they are, they may feel they can't leave in case something goes wrong at work.

India piping up as per. How did India know there were no trans people present? I mean , when India is in the room no one comments do they.

Or do they……..

'"Women's spaces must be for women and girls," he says.

Findlay asks if the FM agrees that every woman in Scotland should be entitled to this and to be able to say this without losing their job.'

Thank you, Russell Findlay.

Oh, that's good to hear. Worth remembering the SNP are embroiled in their own internecine struggles. And Forbes was previously in the running for FM ...

Thanks for the link - watching now.
Didn't think much of SNP before - can the FM actually answer a question?

Now Kate Forbes has spoken in favour of SS spaces.
TBF this isn't much of a surprise as she's a member of the wee frees.
Will she get banished to the back benches again?

I just swiped the button on the live link to the left the questions are right at the beginning.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cq6yrqpjjjdt#LiveReporting

you should be able to rewind to the beginning