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In quite the turnaround Scottish Labour say the support Sandie Peggie, and would not support the GRR bill "knowing what they know now"!

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GargoylesofBeelzebub · 18/02/2025 14:51

x.com/holyroodsources/status/1891851822278590711?s=46&t=AjtjSItRj-kgZwRzL-pdyQ

FFS. What is different now? It's not as if they weren't told over and over again what the consequences would be. 🙄

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Waitwhat23 · 22/02/2025 20:18

SionnachRuadh · 22/02/2025 20:15

I try not to be rude about Patrick Harvie. He's not been the same since someone stole his toadstool and fishing rod.

Hah! That made me chortle out loud!

He's such an angry wee scrote, isn't he?

SionnachRuadh · 22/02/2025 20:15

I try not to be rude about Patrick Harvie. He's not been the same since someone stole his toadstool and fishing rod.

Waitwhat23 · 22/02/2025 20:13

The Scottish Greens, led by the Feral Potato and Lorna 'Gingerbread Man' Slater -

SionnachRuadh · 22/02/2025 20:09

Well now, it looks like it doesn't matter whether you vote Labour or SNP, you'll get the policy positions of the Scottish Greens.

lcakethereforeIam · 22/02/2025 19:13

It seems to me reading the article posted just upthread that the people in favour of the motion had concrete reasons for supporting it, the folx against it...well their 'reasoning' was nebulous or wrong.

Whitestick · 22/02/2025 18:48

Just when you thought it might be safe to vote Scottish Labour again...

Floisme · 22/02/2025 18:46

Scottish Labour Women's Declaration have tweeted that some Labour delegates described their motion as 'misinformation'.

I have so much admiration for these women but dear Lord, at what point do you say, 'fuck the fuck off you snivelling fools' and walk away?

x.com/LWDScotland/status/1893354868112261530

Whitestick · 22/02/2025 18:15

Good grief

Justasmallgless · 22/02/2025 17:53

I am beyond being shocked but am hugely disappointed. First Unison, now Scottish Labour conference.

These issues need to be full party vote.

DuesToTheDirt · 22/02/2025 17:17

@ArabellaScott we need an extension of the agree/thanks/love/laugh system on here. Definitely need anger and disbelief.

ArabellaScott · 22/02/2025 17:03

https://unherd.com/newsroom/scottish-labour-conference-derailed-by-single-sex-space-debate/

Joan Smith in unherd.

'On Friday, just days after the leadership of Scottish Labour expressed regret for backing a bill to allow self-ID, the party’s conference delivered a stinging rebuke by voting against single-sex spaces in schools.
Let that sink in: delegates to Scottish Labour are still so in thrall to a discredited ideology that they don’t think girls are entitled to their own toilets and changing rooms. They defeated a motion, supported by the party’s ruling body, calling for schools to respect single sex spaces “based on biology”. They don’t like the recommendations of the Cass review either. Delegates described it as “deeply problematic” and called on Scottish Labour to “stand on the right side of history”.'

Whitestick · 21/02/2025 21:08

Some trade unions are affiliated to the labour party: no idea how many. In my own union political funds go toward campaigning on political issues, they don't go to political parties.

DontTellMeWhat2Do · 21/02/2025 21:02

Starmer will just buy himself time by saying its a Scottish issue...until the Darlington nurses have their tribunal. (bet those nurses are feeling good!)

Unions give members the option to contribute towards their political fund, which I believe goes to Labour, and the STUC sort of oversees all these unions so if Scottish Labour can't get the unions on board, they're fucked, although many union members and reps are pro SNP now so they already were fucked.

Unions and political parties should be separate.

SionnachRuadh · 21/02/2025 19:47

duc748 · 21/02/2025 18:40

Does the TUC in England receive government funding?

Starmer will obviously be asked about what's going on in Scotland. I'm sure we can expect the usual clear and authoritative statement. 🙄

Edited

He will say "Look, I've always been very clear about this"

The same way, when a child says "nae kiddin", you know you're about to hear an outrageous lie.

duc748 · 21/02/2025 18:40

Does the TUC in England receive government funding?

Starmer will obviously be asked about what's going on in Scotland. I'm sure we can expect the usual clear and authoritative statement. 🙄

fromorbit · 21/02/2025 18:33

The debate on the motion was mixed with 2 other topics on education. You can watch the discussion here:

Looks like most of those speaking on it are after the 1:32 mark

IwantToRetire · 21/02/2025 18:29

Scottish Labour rejects single sex space motion at party conference

The motion was put forward and said school guidance should always be mindful of ‘safeguarding’ and have single sex spaces for boys and girls based on biology.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24953699.scottish-labour-rejects-single-sex-space-motion-party-conference/

Article in full at https://archive.is/BzEHP

fromorbit · 21/02/2025 18:25

Scottish Tories already using the lost vote as a weapon against Labour:

Scottish Labour reject Cass Review and motion to ensure kids get single-sex toilets
Anas Sarwar was dealt a huge blow on the first day of the Scottish Labour conference as delegates chose to reject a motion which called on single-sex facilities in schools.

Scottish Conservative shadow equalities minister Tess White MSP said: “This furious row sums up how detached Scottish Labour are from the public on this issue. It’s just common sense that single-sex spaces in schools should always be protected, but Anas Sarwar cannot get his party singing from the same hymn sheet.
“His desperate attempts to win back favour with women and girls simply won’t wash after he betrayed them by voting for Nicola Sturgeon’s flawed self-id plans.
“This embarrassing episode shows Scottish Labour can never be trusted to stand up for the rights of women and girls. At Holyrood, it is only the Scottish Conservatives, under Russell Findlay’s leadership who will protect access to single-sex spaces, in tune with public opinion.”

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/scottish-labour-reject-cass-review-34725971?

IwantToRetire · 21/02/2025 18:24

The motion to support Cass was voted down by a large amount

What world are they living in?

Surely the vote is more virtue signalling than anything else.

Or does the fact that the NHS in Scotland is independent of Westminster that it doesn't have to pay any attention to how the Cass Review is being responded to by the Labour Government (of the UK).

Washinghanginginthesun · 21/02/2025 18:19

Article linked in tweet:

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/17572462.stuc-accused-ever-reliant-scottish-government-funding/

Washinghanginginthesun · 21/02/2025 18:17

STUC funded by the Scottish Government (63% of their funding in 2018, not sure if there are more recent figures available)?

https://x.com/lnmackenzie1/status/1892938227377475696

DuesToTheDirt · 21/02/2025 18:10

"Anas Sarwar has ‘amplified a national and international onslaught’ against the LGBTQ+ community, says trade union"

Always framed as anti-trans, not pro-women.

fromorbit · 21/02/2025 18:02

Latest - The motion to support Cass was voted down by a large amount:

Susan Dalgety This is the motion on the Cass Review -that delegates at Scottish Labour’s conference have just voted AGAINST despite it being supported by the party’s national executive, which includes Anas Sarwar and Jackie Baillie. Do Labour activists want to lose the 2026 election?
https://x.com/DalgetySusan/status/1892915892138226168

More details:

Scottish Labour chiefs lose conference vote for biology-based single-sex spaces
The SEC, the Scottish party’s governing body, had backed the motion, but it was voted down. Delegates engaged in a heated debate around it, with some of those in favour at times heckling and booing others speaking to oppose.
https://labourlist.org/2025/02/scottish-labour-conference-2025-cass-report-motion/

That isn't all the STUC is now attacking Sarwar too.

Trade union allies attack Scottish Labour leader for ‘betrayal’ over gender self-ID law
Anas Sarwar has ‘amplified a national and international onslaught’ against the LGBTQ+ community, says trade union
The Scottish Trades Union Congress (STUC) accused <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/XKvxE/www.telegraph.co.uk/anas-aarwar/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Anas Sarwar of a “betrayal” of the country’s LGBTQ+ community and warned that his about-turn “inflicts hurt on some of our most vulnerable in society”.
https://archive.is/XKvxE#selection-2931.0-2935.140

Like the recent drama over the arrival of the Labour LGB group and the vote inside Unison it seems the gender wars are only going to get more vicious inside Labour. Will Sarwar stay course or retreat? Looks like gender is going to be a issue in the 2026 Scottish elections anyway.