JKR poem to IW - Brilliant

IW still digging.

My lesbian daughter isn’t talking to me because I agree with JK Rowling. Undoubtedly it is skewing my viewpoint.

Glad your daughter has come out from under the spell.

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PriOn1
Many have said they think Upton was enjoying himself in court. Imagine how happy he’d be if
JK Rowling had concentrated on him and not Sandie Peggie. Highlight the victims and stand by them, ignore the bullies.

PriOn1. Please look at the original tweet ^^ again
And see what she was responding to.

If the people in your life are arguing they are all nice people JKR helps point out that they can not be nice people and use X tweets to bully people.
The original post was an attempt to hold SP up to public ridicule. The way it was done is deemed transphobic as we the general public must judge the man as passing or not.

Upton may have believed that he is presenting a positive image of himself but even to the most uninformed a doctor claiming not to be able to tell if he is male or not will not be seen as a positive.

And at the end of the day he is irrelevant. A poor witness who imo damaged the hospitals case. The issue is did SP's employer breach her rights by allowing any man into the womens CR.

In most areas of life I myself would take the path of ignoring them, but I think in JKR’s situation she has such a massive reach that by highlighting their ridiculous behaviour she is able to shine a light on it. I don’t believe we would be anywhere close to getting the level of attention necessary to combat this insidious ideology without her.

She is the reason it was brought to my attention, as one of my nieces said that I shouldn’t read her books because she was a nasty person (my niece was 11 at the time) when all I had read about her was about her philanthropy. Of course, once I looked into it I couldn’t believe what I was reading and have been peaked ever since! I should add that my niece is now 20, is a lesbian and has a very different, hugely positive attitude towards JKR thankfully!

It’s hard being a woman in this world, many of us spend too much of our lives being bullied in one way or another, having our intelligence questioned, our needs ridiculed and our safety compromised, not to mention not only having often to not only compete with men in the workplace, but to actually be better than them in order to simply be treated fairly.

Thank you for engaging with me, I don’t have many friends who are willing to discuss this subject in detail, I think they just humour me so I’ll shut up ☺️.

Not this nonsense again. 🥱

No, I wouldn’t say I expect higher standards because she’s a woman. It’s hard to explain, but it’s to do with giving attention and publicity to bullies. Someone said down thread that she’s drawing their fire to stop other women getting bullied, and perhaps that’s true.

But I will repeat my main point, “I wish she would grey rock this abusive man though, and all the other abusive men she gives publicity to.”

I love, for example, MaryCate Delvey and her “Listen to trans people,” videos. She highlights the ridiculousness of what these men say, but we never have to see them or know their names. She is absolutely brilliant and I love her work.

I hate seeing pictures of these perverts on my timeline. I hate that they are getting publicity at all, because that is what they crave. There’s no point trying to shame them and I think that sometimes, in giving them that publicity, we actually encourage them. I believe there’s some research suggesting that school shootings go down if the murderer isn’t given coverage, but we’re all so fascinated we can’t look away.

Many have said they think Upton was enjoying himself in court. Imagine how happy he’d be if JK Rowling had concentrated on him and not Sandie Peggie. Highlight the victims and stand by them, ignore the bullies.

But anyway, my admiration for JK Rowling is still huge. I contribute monthly to one of her charities and am incredibly grateful she’s on the side of the women fighting this. I was trying to express a very nuanced situation, which undoubtedly is affected by pain in my own life, inflicted by transactivism and bullying.

I just wanted to say @ThisFluentBiscuit that you’ve had a lot of people disagreeing with you on this thread and I’m really impressed how respectful it’s been on all sides. Respectful disagreement and open minds are how progress is made.

For me, the clincher in this “debate” was reading something JKR wrote and thinking about myself when I was, oh, anywhere between 7 and 14. I so, SO wanted to be a boy. From my perspective, everything about being a boy way easier. I didn’t like any stereotypically female things. (I’ve now been diagnosed as autistic.) If trans ideology had been around then, I might have made some hideous life ruining decisions. It wasn’t until I was older that I realised that it’s the femaleness of my body that makes me a woman, not my brain, or what I like, or that I’m attracted to men. The lived experience of having a female body IS (for me) what being a woman means.

So here's the thing..... As a society we train girls and boys differently. From birth boys are encouraged to be louder, more physical and to play with toys that encourage them to orient themselves in space. Girls are encouraged to be more verbal and social. None of this is rocket science or unknown. There are multiple studies showing how we do this unintentionally from birth. As a consequence, because babies brains are incredibly plastic, boys tend to be better at things like manipulating objects in three dimensional space. (See the map reading example above).

NOW.... Society values the things that we train boys to be good at. Engineering, map reading, agression, mentally manipulating objects in three dimensional space etc. So much so that even IQ tests have a huge sex bias. This was noticed fairly early on in their use and you will find that IQ tests are scored differently for females. Depending on the level of sex bias in the test, a girl may score significantly less than a boy to achieve the same IQ. It's not that girls are dumber than boys, it's just that the tests are designed to sort for skills and traits that society deems more important, the ones we train boys for.

So if you are a girl who, for example, grew up with brothers and parents who couldn't afford the time to train for girl traits or buy girl centered toys, you may well find that girl is very good at boy coded skills. If you then took a highly sex biased IQ test, for example Raven's Matricies you may well find, once the adjusted femal scoring is applied, that this particular girl will be in the genius IQ range. (163 from memory, but it was a long time ago )

“JKR needn't really have bothered with Willoughby but since Willoughby goes after many less powerful women I guess JKR feels the need to draw Willoughby's fire.”

Very much so, Amaryllis.

Joanne Rowling provided an amplifier to women’s voices since she tweeted that now famous tweet of years ago. And she still continues to do that.

That she drew the attention for the hate crime law was an act of bravery.

PriOn1. Up your standards, anybody (family or not) should be in the FRO class of dangerous people to be around if they think you should not be allowed a single sex space. She was pointing out that bullying women in an ET is not nice and if JKR posted the original tweet with the photos she would have been attacked as being transphobic.

Roses are red
You don't get a pass
Just because you're a bloke
Who thinks he's a lass

@ThisFluentBiscuit I was just surprised to see JK insisting that a trans woman is a man

An act of courage so quickly forgotten? https://www.rowlingindex.org/work/afd/ In April last year, on the day that the Scottish Hate Crime and Public Order Act finally came into effect (April 1st!) JKR posted a set of tweets explicitly pointing out that a bunch of different transwomen (including India Willoughby) are all men. She also offered to retweet any other posts by women making the same claims. And challenged the police to arrest her.

By doing this JKR laid out some boundaries within which Scottish women could safely point out that transwomen are men without expecting a call from the police. Anyone could complain, but if the police went after JKR they'd find her public profile and her posse of human rights lawyers in the way, and if they went after other women without going after JKR they'd have to explain why and they'd likely have JKR (and her lawyers and profile) after them too.

The transwomen JKR listed as men included a sportsman who had taken a woman's place by identifying as female, various male rapists and sex criminals who had committed crimes against women and girls that only men commit and yet insisted on being considered as women, and transwomen who have been given public roles speaking for women and jobs supposedly open only to women. JKR needn't really have bothered with Willoughby but since Willoughby goes after many less powerful women I guess JKR feels the need to draw Willoughby's fire.

Let’s see:

Reporting her to the police for a hate crime was applauded by certain posters, iirc. And declared righteous, not abusive.

Now a poem is abusive.

Wasn’t a woman in a robe reporting a male sex offender getting into a spa naked with a semi aroused penis in front of a 9 year old girl acting more ‘egregiously’ than the male sex offender? But apparently some posters think they can recognise abuse and end up labelling women’s behaviour that is to bring that abuse to other’s attention as being worthy of being called out while the abuser’s behaviour is dismissed.

But apparently, those posters are on the right side of history.

@PriOn1 That sounds a little bit like you expect a higher standard of what you deem to be acceptable behaviour from JKR because she’s a woman. It feeds back into the ‘oh just be kind, after all they only want to pee’ mantra. Taking the moral high ground is all well and good, but sometimes these revolting men just need to get it with both barrels and I personally applaud her when she reduces them to exactly what they are, pathetic little men.

I love JK Rowling. She is a wonderful woman and has, and continues to, stand up for women in every way that matters.

I wish she would grey rock this abusive man though, and all the other abusive men she gives publicity to.

I will admit this is partly personal. Family members are shunning me for objecting to men in women’s spaces and saying women who do that are being unnecessarily cruel and, while I recognise the violence and rape threats from the other side are incomparably worse, I was more comfortable when JK Rowling was word perfect on this and absolutely the voice of reason.

I very much enjoy, and have no problem with her humourous interludes with Dr Dame Katy Denise, but I feel the way to deal with narcissistic abusers of all stripes is not to get sucked in. Even if she is powerful enough to win, I’d rather she didn’t.

BUT! I recognise she is her own woman and must listen to her own conscience and not mine. I still thing she is wonderful and I am grateful to her very day for fighting alongside us to stop this madness.

Like when I chose electronics GCSE as one of my options but they gave me child development instead

I'm shocked.

And the original bullying of a woman?

Is that given a free pass?

She deserves to be called names?

Did you ignore that?

Or do you think she deserved it for failing to agreeing to be bullied into changing beside a man?

Gosh! A woman who has been subject to a long history of abuse by Willoughby writes a poem about her male abuser and you label the woman as being the abuser. Again.

It just tells us that you still cannot recognise the abuser and the victim in the abuse cycle. After all this time.

And that you still don’t seem to recognise DARVO.

Prefer the one India made in retaliation myself.
It's just nasty fucking bullying on JKR's part in my view.
It's like being in the school playground.

Roses are red
Though sometimes they're yellow.
If you were born with a cock
Then you're a fellow.

Roses are red,
Except when they're not.
Born with a cock?
Then a woman you're not!