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Labour has voted down the Tories' amendment to allow parents to see sex ed resources in schools.

108 replies

2fallsfromSSA · 13/02/2025 20:46

Schools minister Catherine McKinnell claims there's no evidence of a widespread problem.

This is utterly disgraceful, we know there are many issues with school RSE resources and there is no reason at all to stop parents knowing what their children are being taught in schools.

Not only are many materials politically motivated and biologically inaccurate, we been told by many distressed parents over the years - themselves the victims of CSA - that some school materials use the same language that their abusers did

Schools need to work in partnership with parents, not against them.

Catherine McKinnell responded to our thread by unfollowing us.

https://x.com/safeschoolsuk/status/1890126088166339041?s=46&t=wKQqSS_HYEY78hJQTlX9tJw

We gave evidence 2 years ago at the WESC, we have documented the issues, we have met with the Department for Education numerous times to share the concerns of parents and teachers.

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/2023/05/21/women-equalities-committee/

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Happyinarcon · 14/02/2025 03:11

AnSolas · 13/02/2025 21:34

No elected government should be forcing parents to send their child to school and then refuse to tell the parent what is being taught.

Thats dictatorship

I know, it’s frightening that it’s got to this point. I remember when schools were good and worked alongside parents not against them. It’s strange how easily schools have become Big Brother with zero pushback

LyndaLaHughes · 14/02/2025 00:49

Seagullproofoldbag · 14/02/2025 00:36

Cornish schools use Jigsaw. It used to be difficult to access their whole provision, and there have been previous threads on MN about it's dubious contents.

It's fully complaint with DFE guidance. Perhaps there are historical issues- I can't comment on that as I haven't used it. But providers have had to rigorously check their materials and local authorities have made it clear if certain resources should not be used.

LyndaLaHughes · 14/02/2025 00:40

The guidance is from the Department of Education. So all of England.

Yes - any materials are available to parents. Curriculum overviews should be on all school websites and anyone who wants more information can ask for it if needed but many schools now use online resources which have online portals for parents to access for this very reason. Parents can access every single lesson for the resource we use. This is very common now.

Seagullproofoldbag · 14/02/2025 00:36

Cornish schools use Jigsaw. It used to be difficult to access their whole provision, and there have been previous threads on MN about it's dubious contents.

LyndaLaHughes · 14/02/2025 00:34

2fallsfromSSA · 14/02/2025 00:18

@LyndaLaHughes if you read the thread I linked to you will see that this is not happening in many schools.

There may be isolated incidents of bad practice- absolutely- but this should be picked up on by Ofsted. This suggests that a) there is no statutory requirement currently which there absolutely is or b) parents are being refused to see the materials and schools could get away with this- they can't. C) it is common- it isn't- it just couldn't happen as schools are under so much scrutiny it's ridiculous and one of the reasons there is a recruitment and retention crisis.
I could send out a million different items of correspondance around this and there would still be parents who claim never to have seen it. It happens with all school correspondance. We have strict requirements about training etc around RSE. The idea that currently schools don't have to consult with parents or share materials is just not true- that's my issue.

AnSolas · 14/02/2025 00:30

So your statement is local
Is this what you use in the classroom?
Books, handouts, other teaching materials?

And the motion should have passed as it only would be confirming existing laws.
But it was rejected

LyndaLaHughes · 14/02/2025 00:25

Schools have to post details of the curriculum on their website- not just for RSE but for all curriculum areas- again statutory. They would certainly have to provide materials to parents who asked if they hadn't already signposted them to it.As part of the Ofsted inspection process- you have to evidence these things. I had to prove we'd consulted with parents and I also had to prove they'd had access to the materials. Schools not doing so would be in breach of requirements and this would be pulled by Ofsted.

2fallsfromSSA · 14/02/2025 00:18

@LyndaLaHughes if you read the thread I linked to you will see that this is not happening in many schools.

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Gymrabbit · 14/02/2025 00:13

For example in Canada something like 50% of kids in care in a certain area had been referred to gender clinics.

Seagullproofoldbag · 14/02/2025 00:13

AnSolas · 13/02/2025 23:48

In your school that is happening

Is that the same nationwide?

At my son's Junior School, the consultation was an email from the Head saying they would be teaching RSE now. Any questions? No? Fine.
Parents had no idea what questions to ask , so didn't. Not exactly informed consent.

Gymrabbit · 14/02/2025 00:11

LyndaLaHughes

of course not, she’s suggesting that those groups of people are particularly vulnerable to People pushing trans ideology.

LyndaLaHughes · 13/02/2025 23:54

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LyndaLaHughes · 13/02/2025 23:49

In your school that is happening

Is that the same nationwide?*

It should be because it is statutory!

AnSolas · 13/02/2025 23:48

LyndaLaHughes · 13/02/2025 23:21

I'm a teacher and RSE lead- we have a statutory duty to consult our parents on our RSE policy and to share the resources and content we use. We have to consult again if we want to change anything. Parents absolutely do see what is being taught.

In your school that is happening

Is that the same nationwide?

LyndaLaHughes · 13/02/2025 23:21

I'm a teacher and RSE lead- we have a statutory duty to consult our parents on our RSE policy and to share the resources and content we use. We have to consult again if we want to change anything. Parents absolutely do see what is being taught.

dottiehens · 13/02/2025 23:13

What a disgrace! They will push any agenda and hide their insane narratives from parents. I feel for the state school kids and the ones that will soon join due to the VAT in private schools.

JanesLittleGirl · 13/02/2025 22:46

Where is @CatherineMaddox when you need her to explain why we are better off with a Labour government

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 13/02/2025 22:07

Wow, who is in charge of PR for the Labour Party? They seem to go out of their way to offend and annoy the people they need to vote for them.

UrsulasHerbBag · 13/02/2025 22:05

It is really shocking and makes me wonder why on earth it is a problem for parents to see what their child is being taught. It’s just wrong.

user3827 · 13/02/2025 22:04

WTF i can see why people home school now

IwantToRetire · 13/02/2025 22:01

Labour rejects call for parental right to know what is taught in schools https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/12/labour-blocks-parents-from-knowing-children-taught-schools/

Archive version https://archive.is/qdWzW

Its less than a year ago that the Tories proposed this:

This guidance has openness with parents at its heart. Parents are not able to veto curriculum content, but they should be able to see what their children are being taught, which gives them the opportunity to raise issues or concerns through the school’s own processes, if they want to.
https://educationhub.blog.gov.uk/2024/05/new-rshe-guidance-what-it-means-for-sex-education-lessons-in-schools/

littlbrowndog · 13/02/2025 21:59

What are they hiding that they don’t want parents to see

EdithStourton · 13/02/2025 21:53

WTF?
Why can't parents see a part of the curriculum? It looks as if they have something to hide.

RedToothBrush · 13/02/2025 21:41

No evidence???

Well thats a matter of opinion.

The skyrocketing rate of referals of children with over representative rates of autistic kids, gay kids and kids with a history of trauma occurring at the same time as the rise of this 'education' in schools is what exactly?

Imagined?