Suffragette lanyard

My sister completely unironically wears suffragette colours, 'they can't burn all of us' t shirts, goes to feminist rallies and is STILL a stanch genderist. I can't roll my eyes hard enough most of the time but it wouldn't be worth the fall out currently to challenge her on the hypocrisy.

Anyway. It seems it's perfectly fine to 'identify' as a feminist and also be a trans 'right' advocate. Of course in that context the feminism include men...

The day we come when I can't take it anymore and will crack. I think I will ask her right off the bat if she thinks 'tw' rapists should be imprisoned in the female estate and watch her squirm. Thick end of the wedge.

Yes, a plain lanyard would be an alternative that wouldn't be as much of a statement as the suffragette lanyard (assuming those with Pride lanyards are clued up enough to know what the suffragette colours represent these days).

It shouldn't be controversial to wear a suffragette lanyard if others are wearing pride lanyards. But in some places it is.

Any organisation that allows people to wear rainbow lanyards has to, thanks to the Forstater case, allow employees to where those with the Suffragetter colours.

The employer has no right to say this belief is more important than that belief.

And if in doing this it opens up pandora's box of potential lanyards then at least it would be equal.

Or they go back to having uniforn complaint ones.

But... if trans activists truly believe transwomen are women, how can they object to the colours representing women's historical and continuing fight for rights?

I think it’s wonderful to celebrate those brave women that fought and died for us and standing with the women that still need us to fight for their rights. I would add a note of caution though (following along with the NHS Fife v Peggy case), if there are any militant tras in your department you might make them faint at your blatant micro aggression and find yourself up on a discrimination/ bullying charge. I wish I was joking but I’m not.

Very happy to hear that. It sometimes seems everyone only does the world wars. Brill syllabus.
I think OP should wear the suffragette lanyard too. And if coffee mugs are available have one of those, too.

The Suffragette agenda wasn't just about votes for women, so they colours are just as pertinent today too women fighting to protect their rights and themselves from male encroachment into their sports, prisons and their very existence.

I think you meant Woo woo just woo woo, and on that we agree. 😁

I'm horrified that you're given a rainbow/pride lanyard. I certainly would never wear one of those. I'm always taken aback when I come across one.

Sadly, in a lot of workplace it absolutely IS one rule for one, another rule for others, with the progress flag virtually mandatory.

There was a thread recently about Scottish government buildings flying the progress flag for trans day of remembrance , and whether that is appropriate given that other political 'cause' flags are not flown. (Of course, the usual suspects turned up to say how hateful we all are for expecting equal treatment 🙄)

OP Maybe give it a couple of weeks to see the lie of the land and use a neutral lanyard in the meantime?

Ikwym about wanting to fight back against the bloody anti women progress flag in the NHS, but as a PP said perhaps healthcare/work is not the place for political statements, especially if you're patient facing? It would be unfortunate if a trans patient saw it and became distressed because they thought it meant you wish them harm or something (and complained about you because of it). I'm sure that won't be a popular pov but I'm not convinced that two wrongs make a right.

I know this is a side conversation, and on the original topic OP I’d say yes go ahead and wear a suffragette lanyard. I wear a plain black one at my place of work, but have a suffragette colours keepcup coffee mug.

At my kids school, the history syllabus was pretty interesting for GCSE:

-Medicine in Britain, c1250–present.
-Early Elizabethan England, 1558–88.
-Superpower relations and the Cold War, 1941–91.
-The USA, 1954–75: conflict at home and abroad.

They covered a lot of social reform in the USA section - def remember helping revise timelines of women’s rights and black rights etc. And of course the medicine in Britain touches a lot on social issues.

At the sixth form college near us I was v pleased to see they had three choices of history a level, covering different areas (two more modern and one on classical civilisations). It was a big part of why he chose that college.

The study of social and economic history certainly made me both a feminist and a socialist. I don't see it on the curriculum lately - but it's possibly a bit niche and people do the world wars. DD turned down place at prestigious local sixth form because they did the world wars and she had done them to death for GCSE. She did political history for A level - much more interesting and useful since she went on to study law.

I remember watching that - the one with Sian Phillips in it? I was born late 70’s so it must have been on repeat. Loved it and it was a big part of helping me know about the movement. Probably my parents put it on and made sure we watched it! That, and getting books on feminism for a research gcse history project on Sylvia Pankhurst.

It saddens me that wearing a suffragette landyard maybe not permitted and those who wear it are having to be subtle given the rainbow flag is considered absolutely fine. Either everyone can wear the landyard of choice regarding gender issues or no one can - that is a case of one rule for some and. It others.

👏🏻 This is what I was going to suggest

If progress pride lanyards are allowed then any negative impact of a suffragette lanyard would be unlawful discrimination or harassment.

I think Suffragette colours honour the suffragettes and the fight for women’s suffrage. And as such, a reminder of the ongoing need to promote and protect equality rights for women.

I am a GC feminist, and also happen to think that uniforms and workplace lanyards should be uniform standard issue.

That comment was in reposne to someone (was it you) saying no politics in the workplace. Politics is baked into workplaces these days. But if its gender critical thinking then all of a sudden its "don't bring it into work".

I appreciate your passionate reply to my comment. I think it's incredibly short sighted of you to see my single sentence and extrapolate from that that I somehow want dead teenagers?

Ffs. Engage a bit of critical thought.

Nine protected characteristics, one of which is Sex. Gender identity is not a protected characteristic.

Do you not think the police should overhaul their attitude towards women?

Dead women by police officers.

Raped women by police officers.

Marginalised women by police officer.

Women too afraid to go to the very authority that should protect them........

@JimHalpertsWife so you don't think that the Police should be overhauling their attitudes to the LGBT community then? You don't think that it could be a declaration of contemporary attitudes (which the lack of, let's face it, led to many deaths and/ or lack of investigation in the recent as well as distant past) is a good thing?

Dead young people?

Marginalised and murdered people?

People too afraid to go to the very authority there to protect them?

Would you rather go back to pre, say, the 2010 Equality act? With its 9 protected characteristics? That is Law. In the workplace.

You know- that thing that we have in a Democracy. Law.

Your Suffragette?

Are you seriously trying to weaponise the suffragettes for your own agenda?

Wow. Just wow!

I never knew there were colours for gender queer! Or that they were the suffragette colours. 🙄

OP I'd wear it. And maybe a relevant pin badge on it too.

Young woke neighbour asked me if my ribbon was genderqueer! His wife quickly corrected him, then they both looked uncomfortable as the realisation of possible terf association sunk in.

I was secondary school age in the 70s, I probably didn't see it... and we were still black and white for the first apart of that decade I think!

Obviously I realise the rainbow lanyard brigade got there first but it’s difficult to argue that they shouldn’t be doing it if we’re doing the same thing.