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SD1978 · 02/02/2025 06:40

To say it doesn't happen as the article suggests isn't true- so you lose some of your argument there. Schools often do socially transition children, and give them access to resources and groups their parents initially know nothing about- I don't agree with this, and I think adds hugely to the problem where parents are utterly in the dark, and then approached when the social transition is firmly established and told they will support it because everyone else does

TheCourseOfTheRiverChanged · 02/02/2025 06:05

"what conservative activists used to call “critical race theory”—a term that itself mischaracterizes academic concepts around systemic and institutional racism as being anti-white"
Are they saying the term "cricital race theory" is the label that conservatives gave to the academic theory?
What sort of reputation does Mother Jones have? I thought quite good?

MarsScarlet · 02/02/2025 05:47

@Screamingabdabz

It’s a strong deterrent to stop teachers colluding with what they think is kindness, but is actually psychologically damaging affirmation of a lie.

The article (and I presume, the EO) doesn't say what any sentencing might be, if any. This is the part that concerns me. What is an acceptable 'punishment' for this?

MakeYourOwnMusicStartYourOwnDance · 02/02/2025 04:40

Lennon80 · 02/02/2025 04:30

You do realise trans ideology is deeply homophobic and misogynistic? I feel you might be new to the issue here.

I feel you might be new to the issue here

Lol no
Been on MN years

Lennon80 · 02/02/2025 04:30

You do realise trans ideology is deeply homophobic and misogynistic? I feel you might be new to the issue here.

MakeYourOwnMusicStartYourOwnDance · 02/02/2025 04:10

MakeYourOwnMusicStartYourOwnDance · 01/02/2025 23:15

It's like a return to Section 28 times.

@accidentform why the laugh react?
Genuinely interested to hear your views.
People weren't allowed to educate in any way about LGBT in the 80s when I was at school.
Yes, I know that being trans you didn't really hear about back then as we didn't have a word for it or really understand it. It was clearly still "a thing" though. As in trans people existed.
How is this any different to not wanting people educated on LGBT lives /identities in the 80s?

Screamingabdabz · 02/02/2025 00:37

MarsScarlet · 02/02/2025 00:04

So this applies to cases of a socially-transitioning student? For example, a teacher may use the preferred name of a non-binary student (let's say both are female for the sake of the exercise).

Are we agreeing that this teacher should be prosecuted?

Where does it stop?

Relevant piece of text from the article:
"Trump directs the attorney general to work with local and state officials to investigate teachers who “unlawfully facilitat[e] the social transition of a minor student.” The order defines “social transitioning” to include using a trans student’s name and pronouns, recognizing a student as nonbinary, or allowing them to use the restroom that aligns with their gender identity.

The same section of the order suggests that K-12 teachers and school officials who take action to support trans students’ identities be prosecuted under laws banning sexual exploitation of minors and practicing medicine without a license. There are 3.8 millionn^ public school teachers in the United States, according to the National Center for Education Statistics.

It’s a strong deterrent to stop teachers colluding with what they think is kindness, but is actually psychologically damaging affirmation of a lie.

justasking111 · 02/02/2025 00:35

He's taken the decision out of the education boards hands. Which watching the flack they've taken from parents is no bad thing to make it more remote.

caringcarer · 02/02/2025 00:29

Trump is right on This issue. This should be something that Starmer copies.

TempestTost · 02/02/2025 00:21

I would like to think that the possibility of professional disapline would get the job done with this. Getting fired might actually be at least as motivating as being charged.

However - I think the problem is that institutions are so captured, it would not happen. Including teacher's unions.

But essentially, even in a minor thing like using a chosen name, essentially what these teachers are doing is making what could be meaningful medical interventions without parental awareness, much less parental approval. And they have no business doing that. The idea that they should be able to do that needs to be come down on hard.

MarsScarlet · 02/02/2025 00:04

So this applies to cases of a socially-transitioning student? For example, a teacher may use the preferred name of a non-binary student (let's say both are female for the sake of the exercise).

Are we agreeing that this teacher should be prosecuted?

Where does it stop?

Relevant piece of text from the article:
"Trump directs the attorney general to work with local and state officials to investigate teachers who “unlawfully facilitat[e] the social transition of a minor student.” The order defines “social transitioning” to include using a trans student’s name and pronouns, recognizing a student as nonbinary, or allowing them to use the restroom that aligns with their gender identity.

The same section of the order suggests that K-12 teachers and school officials who take action to support trans students’ identities be prosecuted under laws banning sexual exploitation of minors and practicing medicine without a license. There are 3.8 millionn^ public school teachers in the United States, according to the National Center for Education Statistics.

Screamingabdabz · 01/02/2025 23:21

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TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 01/02/2025 23:19

MakeYourOwnMusicStartYourOwnDance · 01/02/2025 23:15

It's like a return to Section 28 times.

Transing kids behind their parents’ backs is NOTHING like Section 28.

MakeYourOwnMusicStartYourOwnDance · 01/02/2025 23:15

It's like a return to Section 28 times.

Herewegoagain29 · 01/02/2025 22:42

I agree with Trump on this one that unless there is a threat - the school funding being withdrawn - then everything will just continue as it is and the school system in the USA has a lot of teachers who are fully committed to trans ideology.

The writer of the article that you have linked of course denies that but there have been many examples and here comes the backlash to it all.

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