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Girls can have short hair too campaign

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TeenToTwenties · 28/01/2025 09:35

Football club unites to support girls with short hair - BBC News

Wouldn't have been needed back in the day when loads of girls had short hair.

Also wouldn't have been needed before boys started identifying as girls and being allowed into girls spaces.

Two young girls wearing blue and white vertically striped football shirts are smiling at the camera.
There is a green football pitch behind them with floodlights.

Football club unites to support girls with short hair

Under 12s players upset after opposition teams accuse them of cheating by fielding boys.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy1nzv799mo

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Talipesmum · 28/01/2025 18:54

AccordionedWhileMallBurned · 28/01/2025 18:44

Is this not just a question of fashion? Back in the 80s, most girls had short hair. It will come back into fashion eventually, not sure a campaign is needed.

There is if the club has noticed the kids getting mocked or challenged for it. Which they have.

DeanElderberry · 28/01/2025 18:47

€18;00 for a dry cut from my hairdresser who trained under someone who in her turn had qualified in New York in the early 60s.

Looking around at the craft group, where we're aged 55ish to 80+ almost all of us have short hair and the 'long haired' ones have it just below shoulder length.

AccordionedWhileMallBurned · 28/01/2025 18:44

Is this not just a question of fashion? Back in the 80s, most girls had short hair. It will come back into fashion eventually, not sure a campaign is needed.

ConstructionTime · 28/01/2025 18:39

ConstructionTime · 28/01/2025 17:49

The hairstyles are not the only element to change; note how the cut at the leg moves upward, too. The shift seems to have gained momentum in the 90s - same concept as with beach volleyball, for example.

oops, I quote the wrong post, apologies; I meant the one with hairstyles for gymnastics.

MarieDeGournay · 28/01/2025 18:39

CaptainCallisto · 28/01/2025 18:02

I'm a primary school TA. This week, we've had to send a reminder out to our KS1 parents (so kids aged 5-7) that make-up, false nails, and false eyelashes are not permitted at school. There were seven girls wearing false lashes last week. We've always had the odd one in Y6 who tries to get away with make-up/nails, but the worst we used to get with the littlies was some sparkly nail varnish. It's ridiculous!

There are four girls that I can think of in school (350ish pupils) with short hair, and one of those is a black girl who likes to wear her natural hair in a short Afro.

Mind-boggling!Sad

Here's a link to the discussion about 'skincare for teens' and MNs many many ads relating to it.
Off topic(ish) - ads for “teen skincare” promoted in FWR threads list | Mumsnet

I've noticed that when there is some awful tragedy involving a very young girl who has got into a bad situation through her social media contacts, the little girl's profile photo usually shows someone wearing loads of make-up, who looks more like 20 than 12.

So it's not just 'let children be children', it's also that young girls are presenting themselves online as much older than they are, which isn't a good idea. I used to think that it was evidence that the girl's parents weren't monitoring her online activity and didn't know about the profile photo, but apparently some parents approve of and even encourage little girls to look like adults.

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2025 18:16

Signalbox · 28/01/2025 10:12

I was looking at my secondary school photo the other day. 85% of the girls had short hair. wtf happened between then and now to make girls think short hair is only for boys.

I am in the process of sorting through stuff and found mine the other day from 1988. Lots of short haired girls and and so many blond highlights on both sexes.

CaptainCallisto · 28/01/2025 18:02

I'm a primary school TA. This week, we've had to send a reminder out to our KS1 parents (so kids aged 5-7) that make-up, false nails, and false eyelashes are not permitted at school. There were seven girls wearing false lashes last week. We've always had the odd one in Y6 who tries to get away with make-up/nails, but the worst we used to get with the littlies was some sparkly nail varnish. It's ridiculous!

There are four girls that I can think of in school (350ish pupils) with short hair, and one of those is a black girl who likes to wear her natural hair in a short Afro.

Iheartmysmart · 28/01/2025 18:01

I’ve got very, very short hair, live in converse or DMs with jeans and a band t-shirt and have very occasionally been called ‘son’ by someone stood behind me. On turning around I think the 34HH boobs put them right!

I do wonder at times though how I would have faired if I’d been born later and not had the sort of upbringing I had. My parents never batted an eyelid at my hatred of skirts and pink stuff and were more than happy to buy me an Action Man rather than a Barbie or Sindy. This was back in the early seventies and I was never made to feel my choices were odd.,

Scout2016 · 28/01/2025 17:50

My DD is in year 4 and has short hair. I think she's the only girl with short hair at her school. It sounds mad but I have been keeping an eye out to test my theory and not spotted another girl with short hair. Everyone else's seems to be at least shoulder length. I would love to know why because lots of adult women round here have short hair. Lots are of my generation too, so short hair would have been the norm when they were girls. Unless they are all traumatised by dodgy home done 80s cuts and determined their darlings won't suffer the same fate.

On a recent playdate round ours, DD's friend asked for a mirror to be taken off the wall so she could see to re-do her makeup. She sprayed some sort of scent on too, and she's just gone 9 and they were off to play in snow, not even like they were going to a disco. It's depressing.

ConstructionTime · 28/01/2025 17:49

trivialMorning · 28/01/2025 14:24

I had though they'd been a shift back to normalcy.

When DD1 was at secondary all the girls had long hair - then older teens who cut short were apparently signalling they were lesbians.

DD2 younger by 4 years - they do have more range of hair styles - not all super long many above shoulders now thought haven't seen any really short ones.

It is depressing.

I did enjoy this - hairstyles though time on one woman.

The hairstyles are not the only element to change; note how the cut at the leg moves upward, too. The shift seems to have gained momentum in the 90s - same concept as with beach volleyball, for example.

RedToothBrush · 28/01/2025 17:34

MarieDeGournay · 28/01/2025 10:50

I get an eyeroll from my friends when the subject of hair length in women's sports comes up, one of my hobby-horses!

I maintain that 'a personal preference for long hair' cannot explain why, out of two squads of players in women's football, not one single one has short hair.
I suspect there is some kind of influence - subtle, subconscious or explicit from sponsors, I don't know - for sportswomen to look 'feminine'.
Hence more ponytails at a women's football match than at a gymkhana...

Little boys and girls with short hair do tend to look pretty much the same in sports kits, and as PPs have said, this wouldn't be problematic if eligibility rules were 100% respected.

There's a post on another thread - a mother asking for recommendations for make-up lessons for her 15 year old daughter... I didn't respond because I couldn't trust myself not to lose it a bit, and I don't want to be rude or confrontative.

But it's 2025, and 15-year-old girls are being coached in how to look more conventionally 'feminine', and older than they are. By their mothers. And girls with short hair are assumed to be boys.😦

What makes me despair helping out with my son's classes is how pathetic the girls are talking about make and hair etc. They are 9/10 FFS. But the fashion is all about beauty and beauty parties and sleep overs.

I think I'd die inside if I was faced with that age 9.

We were playing Ghostbusters.

LunaNorth · 28/01/2025 17:30

When I had a very short pixie cut, one of my students asked if I’d had chemo.

It’s become so unusual for women to have short hair these days that it’s either thought to be an identity statement or a side effect of radical treatment.

We’re going backwards.

RaspberryArcadia · 28/01/2025 17:25

In the beautiful words of Andrea GIbson ;
” Either way, I can guarantee a haircut will never tell you anything about someone’s gender, who they love, or how they
But I’ll keep growing out my short temper “

NoBinturongsHereMate · 28/01/2025 16:57

Itiswhatitis80 · 28/01/2025 16:25

I had a pixie cut for 10 years but I grew it out because I was sick of being asked if I wanted to be a boy or lesbian,I’m neither.

Whwras I had a pixie cut in the late 80s/early 90s and kept being told I looked like Lisa Stansfield. I grew it out because my student grant didn't cover London hairdresser prices.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 28/01/2025 16:54

In fact, thinking about it - and reminded by that video - short hair on young women was a mildly rebellious look in the 1820s.

At this rate of regress, they'll be burning witches by next year.

Itiswhatitis80 · 28/01/2025 16:25

I had a pixie cut for 10 years but I grew it out because I was sick of being asked if I wanted to be a boy or lesbian,I’m neither.

duc748 · 28/01/2025 16:22

I can't believe what I'm hearing here. I assumed the ubiquity of blonde hair and pig-tails was just cyclical fashion. I thought the days of a stigma against short hair were long gone decades ago. Clearly not.

Talkinpeace · 28/01/2025 16:15

My dd 16 would love short hair, but says it's a social impossibility now, unless you want everyone querying if you're a lesbian, trans or what your pronouns are.

ABSOLUTELY the case all over the country.
Its so sad that girls cannot dress how they choose any more

arethereanyleftatall · 28/01/2025 15:59

Signalbox · 28/01/2025 10:12

I was looking at my secondary school photo the other day. 85% of the girls had short hair. wtf happened between then and now to make girls think short hair is only for boys.

It's really sad isn't it. We've gone so backwards. My dd 16 would love short hair, but says it's a social impossibility now, unless you want everyone querying if you're a lesbian, trans or what your pronouns are. Which she, unsurprisingly, doesn't. And also, @NoBinturongsHereMate, you haven't been keeping up at all. We've gone backwards from then.

Sadcafe · 28/01/2025 15:55

It’s quite funny how fashions change, seems pretty much the norm for girls to have long hair now, back in the early to mid 70s when I was a teenager, it was very much the norm for girls to have short hair( at least where I was and looking back at old school photos from the time)How sad that there is a need to have the issue in Ops post in sport

Talkinpeace · 28/01/2025 15:45

The rank misogyny
that girls have to look like something out of Love Island
or they are boys
is SQUARELY down to the gender lobby

THe fact that schools and sporting bodies support it is vile.

Sneezeless · 28/01/2025 15:40

It's ridiculous that we have come to this. Remember the hoo ha when that gorgeous girl became Miss France because she had short hair.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/01/2025 15:31

trivialMorning · 28/01/2025 14:24

I had though they'd been a shift back to normalcy.

When DD1 was at secondary all the girls had long hair - then older teens who cut short were apparently signalling they were lesbians.

DD2 younger by 4 years - they do have more range of hair styles - not all super long many above shoulders now thought haven't seen any really short ones.

It is depressing.

I did enjoy this - hairstyles though time on one woman.

That was great, thanks for posting!

thirdfiddle · 28/01/2025 15:23

I was thinking this seeing the England teams play. When I was young a women's team would have a wild variety of hair lengths from buzz cut to long. And pretty much all the men had short hair. Now the men have the wild variety and the women all have matching ponytails. (Or they did in the match I happened to be watching at the time.)

Fashion I guess. I do wonder if the number of young women trying to signal gender by means of hair lengths has influenced that. (Maybe it influenced me to get around to that haircut I was thinking of too. Damned if trans ideology is going to have dibs on women with short hair! I've had very short hair at various ages from as young as I was able to ask but sometimes slack and grow it long for a bit.)

denhaag · 28/01/2025 15:23

NoBinturongsHereMate · 28/01/2025 15:17

From about 9 or so many girls are larger, faster and stronger than many boys. It's a small window because obviously the boys catch up and overtake the girls, but a U10 or U12 girls team would probably do better w/o boys.

Taller, perhaps, but I'm not sure about faster or stronger. I'd want to see data on that. And such window as there is only lasts about 2 years - it's no basis for general sport policy.

I didn't mention sports policy, just my observations - that's my data.

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