Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Transgender athletes face blanket ban at Olympics

84 replies

JanesLittleGirl · 27/01/2025 20:13

www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2025/01/27/transgender-athletes-face-blanket-ban-at-olympics/

archive.ph/JgJy1

That's it really.

OP posts:
HarpyOfACertainAge · 28/01/2025 09:15

Surely whoever takes over, regardless of their stance, will not want a repeat of the debacle of the boxing at the last Olympics? This issue isn't going to go away. If anything, there will be more anger next time if the IOC don't sort it out. They can't bury their heads in the sand and pretend this isn't harming women's sports.

EasternStandard · 28/01/2025 09:12

usser3245343 · 28/01/2025 09:02

There is no ban - just a restoration of male and female categories.

Yes just reinstate male and female with testing included

Winterskyfall · 28/01/2025 09:10

Men cheating in women's categories face blanket ban. This cheating should never have happened in the first place.

WandaSiri · 28/01/2025 09:05

NotBadConsidering · 28/01/2025 08:54

I didn’t see it that way. I saw it as him being hamstrung legally by the parameters set out by the Cas ruling and he then went on and implemented a full ban on males.

I'm sure that it isn't a full ban, unless there is a more recent version than the 2023 policy? The conditions are basically not having gone through male puberty plus testosterone suppression - which they will take the athletes' word for. Applies at elite level.

https://worldathletics.org/news/press-releases/council-meeting-march-2023-russia-belarus-female-eligibility

World Athletics Council decides on Russia, Belarus and female eligibility | PRESS-RELEASES | World Athletics

The World Athletics Council has today made a number of important decisions regarding the future participation of the Russian and Belarusian Member Federations in athletics, and the eligibility regulations for athletes who are transgender or who have Di...

https://worldathletics.org/news/press-releases/council-meeting-march-2023-russia-belarus-female-eligibility

SabrinaThwaite · 28/01/2025 09:04

World Aquatics tried introducing an open category alongside the men’s and women’s ones for the World Cup in October 2023 and then cancelled it because there were zero entries.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/oct/03/swimming-world-cup-category-for-transgender-athletes-cancelled-after-no-entries-received

usser3245343 · 28/01/2025 09:02

There is no ban - just a restoration of male and female categories.

helovedbigbrother · 28/01/2025 08:59

Haroldwilson · 28/01/2025 08:24

Wasn't imane khelif female but people just thought she had a manly face?

No. He's suspected to be an actual biological male with DSD, like Caster Semenya.

No one has a problem with an amazing, super strong butch woman. In fact, we'll be very supporting.

Runor · 28/01/2025 08:56

MudpiesinEssex · 28/01/2025 08:49

That's the point where it can't be made to look anything but silly.

A field consisting entirely of men who pretend to be women!

Maybe refer to the Boston marathon non-binary category for a very good example of silliness!

Im not sure that providing a platform, prize money etc to mediocre males is really such a good use of spot’s limited resources. They will then just use that platform to claim ‘stunning and brave’. And of course there will likely be no places for transmen, unless they’re hopped up on testosterone. Much better to treat everyone the same - compete in your own sex category, at the level that’s right for you

WandaSiri · 28/01/2025 08:56

The Olympics sets the tone and standard. Male participation in female sport is a big problem worldwide.
This was the tally over a 9-month period, seems to be limited to North America. Over 578 male athletes displacing women and girls.
https://womenssportspolicy.org/253-male-victories-in-female-sports/

https://www.hecheated.org/results
This notes over 5,000 males up to Sep 2024 and is not comprehensive.

NotBadConsidering · 28/01/2025 08:54

WandaSiri · 28/01/2025 08:31

I'm torn - of the candidates who claim they will protect female sport, Coe is the frontrunner. But I don't trust him to actually ringfence women's events because he allows males in women's athletics under certain conditions, just not at all levels. A win for him could further entrench the principle of participation of male people in women's sport.

I didn’t see it that way. I saw it as him being hamstrung legally by the parameters set out by the Cas ruling and he then went on and implemented a full ban on males.

NotBadConsidering · 28/01/2025 08:53

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/01/2025 08:46

he probably has an extra X chromosone so he is XXY,

It's thought Khelif is XY with 5 ARD exactly as Caster Semenya was proven to be in the Court of Arbitration.

Correct. He is 100% male.

MudpiesinEssex · 28/01/2025 08:49

Hilarioushilda · 27/01/2025 23:55

Simple just make a ‘transgender’ category to race themselves. If you identify as a female and born as female race against females, like wise for males. If you identify otherwise and then race against those who identify otherwise with you.

That's the point where it can't be made to look anything but silly.

A field consisting entirely of men who pretend to be women!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/01/2025 08:46

he probably has an extra X chromosone so he is XXY,

It's thought Khelif is XY with 5 ARD exactly as Caster Semenya was proven to be in the Court of Arbitration.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/01/2025 08:44

It certainly shouldn't label Khelif as trans (because she isnt)

Khelif is a male with a male DSD.

MinnieCauldwell · 28/01/2025 08:43

Viviennemary · 28/01/2025 08:00

Not before time. But I think inter-sex athletes are a different case.

There is no such thing as intersex. Kalif has DSD, he probably has an extra X chromosone so he is XXY, BUT it is the Y chromosone that results in a male pubery. He will produce testosterone like any other male along with a male physic.

As a baby he would have had ambiguous genitalia, however this is a secondary sex characteristic. As puberty hit it would have been obvious.

If you have a Y you're a guy...

Allezallez · 28/01/2025 08:43

sadmillenial · 28/01/2025 04:01

I think this is because the most compelling arguments about trans competitors concern hormone levels and developmental characteristics after puberty, so those arguments would pertain to women with DSD as well as trans women. It certainly shouldn't label Khelif as trans (because she isnt)

I'd be interested in how they manage trans male participation, after all the only trans athletes at the last olympics were trans men

If you include the Paraolympics, there was a trans woman sprinter, Petrillo.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/01/2025 08:42

Wasn't imane khelif female but people just thought she had a manly face?

No Confused

teawamutu · 28/01/2025 08:41

RedToothBrush · 28/01/2025 08:14

The Olympics don't want an American boycott. And the next Olympics are in America within Trump's current term.

Given this context, it would be very very difficult for any of the incoming IOC candidates to take a different position.

I note it's about trans competitors not intersex too. Intersex may yet be treated differently, but for trans competitors there is simply not going to be a different outcome.

Ah, I hadn't clocked about the next Olympics. Serendipity!

WandaSiri · 28/01/2025 08:31

I'm torn - of the candidates who claim they will protect female sport, Coe is the frontrunner. But I don't trust him to actually ringfence women's events because he allows males in women's athletics under certain conditions, just not at all levels. A win for him could further entrench the principle of participation of male people in women's sport.

RedToothBrush · 28/01/2025 08:30

Haroldwilson · 28/01/2025 08:24

Wasn't imane khelif female but people just thought she had a manly face?

No.

WandaSiri · 28/01/2025 08:25

Haroldwilson · 28/01/2025 08:24

Wasn't imane khelif female but people just thought she had a manly face?

Hilarious.

Haroldwilson · 28/01/2025 08:24

Wasn't imane khelif female but people just thought she had a manly face?

elgreco · 28/01/2025 08:20

Good

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 28/01/2025 08:20

RedToothBrush · 28/01/2025 07:57

Why is it always framed as 'trans banned' not 'female protected as single sex only'?

Even by elements of the press who are supportive of the point?

It's obviously because the headline gets more clicks but it's still as if women don't matter and it must be centred around males because feminism isn't worth sticking up for.

Because as always the male is far more important than the females 😡

RedToothBrush · 28/01/2025 08:14

Chersfrozenface · 27/01/2025 23:53

A note of caution. Seb Coe and Kirsty Coventry are only two of the seven candidates for the post of President of the IOC.

I don't know the stance of the other five on this issue. But one of them is the son of Juan Antonio Samaranch, during whose presidency testing for sex verification was abandoned.

The Olympics don't want an American boycott. And the next Olympics are in America within Trump's current term.

Given this context, it would be very very difficult for any of the incoming IOC candidates to take a different position.

I note it's about trans competitors not intersex too. Intersex may yet be treated differently, but for trans competitors there is simply not going to be a different outcome.

Swipe left for the next trending thread