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Transgender athletes face blanket ban at Olympics

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JanesLittleGirl · 27/01/2025 20:13

www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2025/01/27/transgender-athletes-face-blanket-ban-at-olympics/

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That's it really.

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SabrinaThwaite · 30/01/2025 11:50

puffyisgood · 30/01/2025 11:36

only incidental really but the pictures I've seen of that athlete do make me a little dubious (in terms of forearm thickness and so on) that they've been drug free their entire lifetime. I don't think even Olympic standard testing is capable of shedding much light on what chemicals an athlete was taking months or especially years ago.

Drug abuse can be pretty widespread in sport (and in some sports in particular) and anabolic steroids have variable detection rates ranging from a few days or weeks after use to several months. My weightlifting DS thinks that people can game the system quite effectively.

puffyisgood · 30/01/2025 11:36

NoBinturongsHereMate · 29/01/2025 10:24

Just checked - Filipino boxer Hergie Bacyadan competed in the women's 75kg category in Paris. Quite correctly for a transman who hasn't taken hormones.

A few people tried to bring it up as a gotcha in the Lin/Kalif discussion. 'Why are you so upset about the women competing when you're not bothered about the man?'. Which showed they reallly didn't understand what they were talking about.

only incidental really but the pictures I've seen of that athlete do make me a little dubious (in terms of forearm thickness and so on) that they've been drug free their entire lifetime. I don't think even Olympic standard testing is capable of shedding much light on what chemicals an athlete was taking months or especially years ago.

Runor · 30/01/2025 10:06

thirdfiddle · 29/01/2025 17:05

Woman with a short hair cut, and ridiculous opinions you mean.
New acronym landing WWROAW!

Yes they are!

Helleofabore · 30/01/2025 09:35

So, today may be interesting. The candidates may not say much in their presentations but I wonder if the press questions will get things kicking off discussion wise.

Just a reminder:

The IOC membership will meet tomorrow, Thursday 30 January, at Olympic House, Lausanne, for a presentation by the candidates for the IOC presidency.

This will be followed by media interactions from 11:30-13:30 CET, which will be streamed live here:

https://x.com/iocmedia/status/1884599451701944810?s=46

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https://x.com/iocmedia/status/1884599451701944810?s=46

thirdfiddle · 29/01/2025 17:05

Woman with a short hair cut, and ridiculous opinions you mean.
New acronym landing WWROAW!

NoBinturongsHereMate · 29/01/2025 14:54

Well, yes.

RedToothBrush · 29/01/2025 14:32

Quite correctly for a transman who hasn't taken hormones.

Woman with a short hair cut, and ridiculous opinions you mean.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 29/01/2025 10:24

Just checked - Filipino boxer Hergie Bacyadan competed in the women's 75kg category in Paris. Quite correctly for a transman who hasn't taken hormones.

A few people tried to bring it up as a gotcha in the Lin/Kalif discussion. 'Why are you so upset about the women competing when you're not bothered about the man?'. Which showed they reallly didn't understand what they were talking about.

thirdfiddle · 29/01/2025 08:09

There was a transman in last year's boxing, wasn't there?

If there was, it's a good sign that any protests are about fairness not 'transphobia'. What was protested was two men, with intersex conditions which didn't prevent them having gone through male puberty, taking part in the women's contest.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 28/01/2025 18:11

Well, Trump said some time ago that if he was President, men will not be competing in woman’s events at the Los Angeles Olympics ( and they only recognise two ‘genders’ in the US now).

So unless they want to raise a lot of money( to replace state sponsorship) , or find an alternative venue 😂, thé Olympic committee are just going to have to lump it.

lifeturnsonadime · 28/01/2025 18:08

RedToothBrush · 28/01/2025 18:07

I think we've already established that no one cares about them.

Of course they don't. Collateral damage all the way.

RedToothBrush · 28/01/2025 18:07

lifeturnsonadime · 28/01/2025 18:03

The solution is incredibly simple.

A simple cheek swab for a sex test then either female category or open anyone who doesn't qualify as female so, men or anyone else who is male but is unhappy with the word man.

The problem class is actually trans identifying females who may fall foul of doping regulations.

I think we've already established that no one cares about them.

lifeturnsonadime · 28/01/2025 18:03

The solution is incredibly simple.

A simple cheek swab for a sex test then either female category or open anyone who doesn't qualify as female so, men or anyone else who is male but is unhappy with the word man.

The problem class is actually trans identifying females who may fall foul of doping regulations.

Justaspy · 28/01/2025 15:28

Very strange how most forums have the same outlook yet the media keep pushing that this is a far bigger deal.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 28/01/2025 14:07

There was a transman in last year's boxing, wasn't there?

duc748 · 28/01/2025 14:00

Quinn's not a transman, though. She's a woman with short hair. And opinions.

Signalbox · 28/01/2025 13:57

NextRinny · 28/01/2025 13:02

The headline is misleading. This only applies to male transgender athletes.

Female transgender athletes can't compete in any Olympic sport even without formal bans.

They are eliminated from female sport because of their testosterone usage. And eliminated from male elite competitions because their bodies just can't compete with males at that level.

It's all a bit male centric.

Female trans athletes can and do compete in the Olympics in the female category without restriction so long as they aren't doping with testosterone. examples are Quinn, a woman who claims to be non-binary (football), and Alana Smith, a "non-binary" girl (skateboarding).

NextRinny · 28/01/2025 13:02

The headline is misleading. This only applies to male transgender athletes.

Female transgender athletes can't compete in any Olympic sport even without formal bans.

They are eliminated from female sport because of their testosterone usage. And eliminated from male elite competitions because their bodies just can't compete with males at that level.

It's all a bit male centric.

RedToothBrush · 28/01/2025 12:31

Signalbox · 28/01/2025 09:26

Kirsty Coventry says she doesn’t think the scenario at the last Olympics was predictable. Despite the fact that we’ve all been predicting such a scenario for years and the same scenario has played out in athletics for years. I don’t think this woman is a good candidate. She clearly doesn’t have the guts to stand up against the ideologues. Either that or she’s hard of thinking.

It boils my piss when people say shit like this.

It's been fucking obvious to anyone paying attention.

Saying it wasn't predictable is just an admission you've been caught napping.

Literally nothing of this scale comes to pass without fair warning and indications of a problem long before it becomes a crisis.

K2togm1 · 28/01/2025 11:50

Misleading headline, transgender athletes will have to compete in their on sex category, just like 'trans men' have been doing, or 'non-binary' females. Plus using DSDs as part of being transgender I find incredibly offensive.

duc748 · 28/01/2025 11:38

I agree with the PP who said that this talk of a "transgender ban" is ridiculous. There is no such thing, and this is deliberately misleading. Cui bono? Everyone does it, but when done by 'supportive' media outlets, it feels like a kick in the teeth. Why give ammunition to those who would paint GC people as bigots?

DesperatleySeekingWeightLoss · 28/01/2025 11:17

Chersfrozenface · 27/01/2025 20:20

The wording of first paragraph is better than the headline (my bolding).

"Transgender women are increasingly likely to be banned from the female category across Olympic sport after another leading candidate to become International Olympic Committee president backed a new blanket."

I think headline writers are web / broadsheet formatters/typesetters. Definitely not journalists.

A better opening paragraph (and title) would be "Males to be banned in women's Olympics sports".

Or at least, "Males who identify as women to be banned in women's Olympics sports".

Signalbox · 28/01/2025 09:26

Kirsty Coventry says she doesn’t think the scenario at the last Olympics was predictable. Despite the fact that we’ve all been predicting such a scenario for years and the same scenario has played out in athletics for years. I don’t think this woman is a good candidate. She clearly doesn’t have the guts to stand up against the ideologues. Either that or she’s hard of thinking.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/01/2025 09:17

Yes just reinstate male and female with testing included

Exactly. It's extremely simple. There wouldn't have been all this angst if they'd just done this. Khelif would have simply not been found eligible to box in the female category.

dangandblast · 28/01/2025 09:17

So sad that the Olympics will be destroying male athletes' hopes and dreams of competing in the women's category.

I eagerly await their sob stories being publicised widely while female athletes are once again ignored.

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