Has anyone seen the movie Conclave and would be happy to talk about the ending with me

I didn’t think they were pushing a trans moment.

After all the material / storylines about the oppression of women in the church I thought it was a subversive moment about women in the Catholic Church. As in ‘hah! For all your misogyny and discrimination you now have a female born person, if only you knew it’.

As a medievalist, it just made me laugh in the cinema as the Protestants came up with a similar aprocrypha 500 years ago as fun stick to beat Roman Catholics with. They wrote pamphlets about the corruption of the Catholic church going back to the ninth century where they accidentally put a female pope on the throne in the ninth century, who of course got pregnant and got tossed into the Tiber when the Curia found out.

The pamphlet writers claimed after that cock up the papal throne has a hole in the seat so a cardinal can to an inspection to ensure any pope is intact. So when I saw the twist I just shrugged my shoulders at the progressive version of this “shocker”.

Pope Joan’s bawdy story is recounted in a novel by Lawrence Durrell as well as in a play Top Girls by Carol Churchill.

It struck me as a claim of DSD but through the trans fantasy lense, using someone else's health issue as a prop for their own ideological 'make believe' agenda. It was such a poor ending.

I saw the film in an early preview so couldn't talk about it (as no one else had seen it) but it was enormously frustrating cos I called bullshit as soon as the reveal came up. Up until that point, I was really enjoying it, the music was so good in building the tension & atmosphere, the acting was fantastic, & I just felt robbed by the ending. I prefer films when you can suspend disbelief, and get engrossed in the drama. And it had me all the way through until that crap ending.

It's like the bullshit you hear on sci-fi films which you know is bollocks but if the actor or the script is good enough, you let it slide & just let the nonsense wash over you. The fantasy DSD that made no sense just burst that bubble I was in, enjoying the film & keen to finally get the big reveal.

I'm still annoyed by it 😁

It's a movie and speaking as an ex Catholic, it will never happen. It's just Hollywood trying to push the "trans" agenda.

I've seen it and I agree, no sense. Obviously male-normal levels of testosterone, plus a uterus (did they even say overies, I forget)? Some kind of mosaicism? I don't think that works - how do you have both a uterus and testes, how do the connections work? "Authors just decided intersex means pick your own adventure" seems more plausible than there really being an explanation.

I don't think they worried about the biological realities of someone presenting as a masculine man while having female organs internally. It was the last card to turn over, with regard to modern dilemmas facing the church, after racism, corruption, religious extremism and a sex scandal ruled out other candidates.

And yes..very convenient

Ive read it but not seen the movie, sounds like they have changed the ending which is bloody annoying

I've not seen it but heard about the end.

Yes it sounds like they don't have a clue about DSDs & conveniently got it wrong.