The Guardian, on Trump's EO re: gender ideology

Thank you for this (I mean, for me, it's bleeding obvious. Sperm gives X or Y - that determines the sex.)

Actually, the IVF link above was helpful because it's non-political, non-social media and shows beyond doubt that embryos are male or female before implantation. I'd just like to go a step further and show they are male or female at fertilisation. (I have a very stubborn DP to put right 😆)

A study? Not that I know of because it simply is not true.

As far as I know, people who say this are leveraging an undifferentiated embryo status as being default female. But for the first period of development, 6 weeks I think, they are merely in an undifferentiated stage of life. If the cells were tested, they would be categorised using genetic coding into whether the next stage would be to follow a male development stage or a female development stage.

https://x.com/zaelefty/status/1883151425196458015

Does this help? If someone queries the political leaning of the author, maybe ask them to comment on the diagram and the explanation and point out exactly what is wrong so you can then consider the details of their point.

I think that the Paradox Institute is producing some clips to discuss embryo development at the moment. They may even have been released this week already.

Please does anyone have any bullet-proof non-political links to show this? I tried googling but only got 1 recent study.

The Guardian has been rubbish at reporting anything scientific for at least 45 years IMO. For a sensible properly researched science article I turn to the Telegraph even though I loathe their politics.

I didn't know this, thank you.

I got into a massive argument with DP about this. He's still stuck in "well, the Guardian says...." and "you've been radicalised by the far-right". So, apparently I'm a fascist for saying that sex is determined at conception.

The Guardian has been rubbish at reporting anything scientific for at least 45 years IMO. For a sensible properly researched science article I turn to the Telegraph even though I loathe their politics.

So it is with Trump - he is loathsome but his EO seems pretty sensible- there are only two sexes, we can't change sex.

Print circulation has dropped to the point where I wouldn't be surprised to see it follow the Independent and go online only.

I believe the business is now heavily dependent on US subs. Which would explain how California-centric the news coverage has become.

(Is this the same for sports, I wonder? I don't regularly look at the Graun's sports section, but for a while it had bizarrely detailed coverage of Aussie Rules football)

The Graun hasn't released its print numbers since September 2021, but the Press Gazette says the last figure for the Guardian was 105,134 in July 2021 and that if that has fallen in line with rest of the industry its current circulations as of February 2024 would be 60.000.

The Graun website is free and non-paywalled with begging pop-ups. I wonder how many hits it would get with a paywall.

You will have heard that the Observer is being sold to Tortoise Media - no doubt to provide funds to prop up the Graun.

I wonder what the guardian readership numbers are these days. Surely they are barely surviving.. It’s a great shame that they’re not the paper they used to be. They’re a source of ridicule now more than ever. Awful.

And it is NEVER called CAIS! Give it up. You’ve been rumbled. You made a huge mistake pontificating about something you know nothing about. Swyer is a different condition to CAIS. This is not complicated. And ovaries and testes are primary sexual characteristics in humans. Breast and pubic hair are examples of secondary characteristics.

Sadly, you are probably correct. Guardian readers think they should run the country and they know best about everything. What you said about the skimming the article before talking to their learned friends, sounds too true.

From their site, at the top "The SEER Training Website is a training resource for oncology data specialists (ODS) and cancer registration trainees."The difference is which characteristic defines sex: the ability to produce large- or small-celled gametes, versus the use of primary in that sentence which is used to mean "a very basic trait." It doesn't change the fact that it's secondary in the sense of not defining the sex. Plenty of organisms produce gametes without gonads. Eg fungi, many seaweeds. It doesn't change the fact that they produce differentiated gametes.

Yes, but it’s not CAIS, is it? They’re two different conditions, not interchangeable.

Yes, Swyers is sometimes called Gonadal Dysgenesis. You can probably see why the gonads wouldn't develop.

I often warn my kids that anonymous people on the internet may not be who they claim to be. I need to remind myself of that fairly often too.

The thing is, I'm hearing it on American media that Trump is female. They're all repeating what each other are saying without much thought. You can tell since they're all repeating the same sexist "joke".

Can’t be stated enough. Thank you.

I'm not clicking on a Guardian article. I won't reward them with the click. I've been a life long reader and was getting it free as it was a giveaway with my Waitrose card. Waitrose have recently withdrawn the free newspaper perk but I stopped availing myself of it a year ago. I occasionally used to pick up a free Observer which is slightly grounded in reality (thank you Sonia Sodha).
I was recently at an exhibition (Whitechapel Gallery resistance/anti nuclear sort of stuff). There were broadsheet Guardian spreads from the 70s and 80s when it was a different beast with serious journalists and intelligent analysis. It is just a student blog now. RIP the Guardian.

I'd love to ask Arwa Mahdawi: if sex is so complicated, how could you campaign for Hillary Clinton to be the first female president? How did you know she's a woman? How did you know Trump was a man? Mahdawi wrote a whole article about how awful it was that Trump called Clinton a "nasty woman", but why was it so awful if we can't really tell what sex people are?

The stupidity of this stuff is off the scale. I just feel so weary with it all sometimes.

Thanks, BoldRed.
Mind blown.

Also @quixote9 ovaries and testes are primary sexual characteristics. https://training.seer.cancer.gov/anatomy/reproductive/female/ovaries.html

Oxford degree journalism- will lie, manipulate & drum up hysteria for ££££

The Guardian have become the "Cringe Cringe Comedy Show".

That article is so bad, and when I opened it on my phone I got the Guardian begging for cash to protect the reporting of facts!!!! 🤣🤣🤣

Who falls for this? What's happened to our 🧠🧠🧠 ?

It's incredible there are still people who thing the Guardian is a credible paper.

Exactly. The same media would say he really is a woman if only he ID'd as one. Lunatics.

Come on. You’ve been rumbled. CAIS is a completely separate condition to Swyer. I love that you are trying to tick me off for saying that both Swyer and CAIS individuals APPEAR externally female (they do) while being caught out in a whopper of a mistake.

Just leaving this here for anyone with 5 mins spare today:
https://www.theguardian.com/info/2014/sep/12/-sp-how-to-make-a-complaint-about-guardian-or-observer-content