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Actor in lead role of 'Emilia Perez' has received nomination for Best Actress

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Grammarnut · 24/01/2025 09:25

Karla Garcia Gascon has been nominated for Best Actress. Karla is a transwoman. This thread has been taken down twice. Hat trick, anyone?

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ArabellaScott · 24/01/2025 17:53

FarriersGirl · 24/01/2025 13:52

Was just going to post this article but cat beat me to it. It is not only critical of the quality of the film but reckons the trans community are not to happy with the it either. Apparently Perez's character comes across as a transwoman who is ultimately still male and presents a danger to women. The woke lovies have been busy promoting it and will undoubtedly vote for it.

Good, good.

Greyskybluesky · 24/01/2025 17:53

Hermyknee · 24/01/2025 17:46

Interestingly when a woman played a man she was awarded as an actress not as a male actor. I wonder what people would have thought if she was put up for best supporting actor?

From Wikipedia:
Linda Hunt, born Lydia Susanna Hunt (April 2, 1945) is an American actress of stage and screen. She made her film debut playing Mrs. Oxheart in Popeye (1980). Her portrayal of the male character Billy Kwan in The Year of Living Dangerously (1982) won her the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress, making her the first and, as of 2024, the only person to win an Oscar for portraying a character of the opposite sex.

Is this person a trans man in real life?

If not then it's not the same.

Hermyknee · 24/01/2025 17:46

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/01/2025 13:35

So how is this different from the previous two exactly?

Because they were nominated in the men's category, as should this be. But I suspect they might not want to have this performance win the "best actor" Oscar, women's is less important.

Interestingly when a woman played a man she was awarded as an actress not as a male actor. I wonder what people would have thought if she was put up for best supporting actor?

From Wikipedia:
Linda Hunt, born Lydia Susanna Hunt (April 2, 1945) is an American actress of stage and screen. She made her film debut playing Mrs. Oxheart in Popeye (1980). Her portrayal of the male character Billy Kwan in The Year of Living Dangerously (1982) won her the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress, making her the first and, as of 2024, the only person to win an Oscar for portraying a character of the opposite sex.

Arran2024 · 24/01/2025 17:15

Karl has shot to the top of the acting profession with this role. Previously, both as a man and then as a trans woman, there was no suggestion of such amazing acting. No big award nominations. No huge parts. And Karla is 52, so that's a long time making it to film stardom. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karla_Sof%C3%ADa_Gasc%C3%B3n

INeedAPensieve · 24/01/2025 15:48

Harassedevictee · 24/01/2025 14:40

I think it would be far more ground breaking if Karla was nominated as best male actor and won. That really would be something.

It’s like Lia Thomas, swim as a transwoman in the men’s events and win an Olympic medal. Brilliant.

Exactly. Celebrate their achievements in the correct category. But that's not what they want to do. I genuinely do believe for these men it is about having power over women and deliberately inserting themselves into things for women.

Harassedevictee · 24/01/2025 14:40

I think it would be far more ground breaking if Karla was nominated as best male actor and won. That really would be something.

It’s like Lia Thomas, swim as a transwoman in the men’s events and win an Olympic medal. Brilliant.

TeaMistress · 24/01/2025 14:37

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Greyskybluesky · 24/01/2025 13:58

It sounds like a right mess, offending all the groups its supposed to portray!
That's my weekend viewing sorted anyway.

FarriersGirl · 24/01/2025 13:52

TheCatsTongue · 24/01/2025 12:43

Haven't seen the film (because Netflix is so expensive for so little now) but here is another take:

https://unherd.com/2025/01/emilia-perez-has-an-identity-crisis/

Not so positive in representation as people think it is.

Was just going to post this article but cat beat me to it. It is not only critical of the quality of the film but reckons the trans community are not to happy with the it either. Apparently Perez's character comes across as a transwoman who is ultimately still male and presents a danger to women. The woke lovies have been busy promoting it and will undoubtedly vote for it.

Szygy · 24/01/2025 13:40

BackToLurk · 24/01/2025 13:21

I looked at the aggregates of critic and audience ratings for EP on Rotten Tomatoes and compared them with the other films nominated. Anyone involved with the film that looks at them must know that they’re not being nominated for artistic reasons. (And anyone involved with A Real Pain must be wondering what the fuck is going on).

Take a look at the user reviews on IMDb as well. Plenty giving it a one-star, some wishing they could give it zero and wondering how on earth it even saw the light of day. The biggest backlash from Mexican reviewers very upset indeed at the cringingly bad portrayal of the issues affecting their country. But hey, just keep those nominations coming, right?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/01/2025 13:35

So how is this different from the previous two exactly?

Because they were nominated in the men's category, as should this be. But I suspect they might not want to have this performance win the "best actor" Oscar, women's is less important.

JackieGoodman · 24/01/2025 13:33

The problem isn't this person being Oscar nominated @Arran2024 , it's that they are in the womens category.

Greyskybluesky · 24/01/2025 13:30

MummytoE · 24/01/2025 13:25

They were pretending to be women in a film, not real life

Thank you for having the patience to explain this!
Do you get it now @Arran2024 ?

Hoppinggreen · 24/01/2025 13:26

Arran2024 · 24/01/2025 13:22

Dustin Hoffman won best actor oscar for playing a man who pretends to be a woman in Tootsie in 1983.

Robin Williams won a best actor Golden Globe for playing a man who pretends to be a woman in Mrs Doubtfire on 1993.

My understanding of the plot of the new film is that it is about a man ( Mexican drug cartel boss) who seeks to become a woman to avoid his past.

So how is this different from the previous two exactly?

Pretends is the key word there

MummytoE · 24/01/2025 13:25

Arran2024 · 24/01/2025 13:22

Dustin Hoffman won best actor oscar for playing a man who pretends to be a woman in Tootsie in 1983.

Robin Williams won a best actor Golden Globe for playing a man who pretends to be a woman in Mrs Doubtfire on 1993.

My understanding of the plot of the new film is that it is about a man ( Mexican drug cartel boss) who seeks to become a woman to avoid his past.

So how is this different from the previous two exactly?

They were pretending to be women in a film, not real life

MummytoE · 24/01/2025 13:24

Arran2024 · 24/01/2025 13:22

Dustin Hoffman won best actor oscar for playing a man who pretends to be a woman in Tootsie in 1983.

Robin Williams won a best actor Golden Globe for playing a man who pretends to be a woman in Mrs Doubtfire on 1993.

My understanding of the plot of the new film is that it is about a man ( Mexican drug cartel boss) who seeks to become a woman to avoid his past.

So how is this different from the previous two exactly?

I'm unsure of what you are asking. Robin Williams and Dustin Hoffman are men so were rightly nominated in the actor category.

Arran2024 · 24/01/2025 13:22

Dustin Hoffman won best actor oscar for playing a man who pretends to be a woman in Tootsie in 1983.

Robin Williams won a best actor Golden Globe for playing a man who pretends to be a woman in Mrs Doubtfire on 1993.

My understanding of the plot of the new film is that it is about a man ( Mexican drug cartel boss) who seeks to become a woman to avoid his past.

So how is this different from the previous two exactly?

BackToLurk · 24/01/2025 13:21

I looked at the aggregates of critic and audience ratings for EP on Rotten Tomatoes and compared them with the other films nominated. Anyone involved with the film that looks at them must know that they’re not being nominated for artistic reasons. (And anyone involved with A Real Pain must be wondering what the fuck is going on).

Hoppinggreen · 24/01/2025 13:06

TheCatsTongue · 24/01/2025 12:43

Haven't seen the film (because Netflix is so expensive for so little now) but here is another take:

https://unherd.com/2025/01/emilia-perez-has-an-identity-crisis/

Not so positive in representation as people think it is.

I don't think it matters
It could be the most Pro Trans or the most Anti Trans film ever made and either way it would still not be right for this person to be in a Best Actress Category

crumpet · 24/01/2025 12:47

Would love to see the Netflix figures

crumpet · 24/01/2025 12:47

I said on what I think is a deleted thread, that what is slightly bizarre is that the film cost 25million and has so far only made 10 million.

TheCatsTongue · 24/01/2025 12:43

Haven't seen the film (because Netflix is so expensive for so little now) but here is another take:

https://unherd.com/2025/01/emilia-perez-has-an-identity-crisis/

Not so positive in representation as people think it is.

Emilia Pérez has an identity crisis

https://unherd.com/2025/01/emilia-perez-has-an-identity-crisis

MummytoE · 24/01/2025 12:33

IsadoraQuagmire · 24/01/2025 12:32

I wasn't disagreeing with you! I was disagreeing with this "spirit of mumsnet" thing.

Sorry , I realised as soon as I sent it that I had misinterpreted your post. Sincere apologies xx

IsadoraQuagmire · 24/01/2025 12:32

MummytoE · 24/01/2025 12:30

What a defensive post when we are on the same side. If you had seen my posts on the other thread you would know that I very much agree with you

I wasn't disagreeing with you! I was disagreeing with this "spirit of mumsnet" thing.

MummytoE · 24/01/2025 12:30

IsadoraQuagmire · 24/01/2025 12:27

I thought the "spirit of mumsnet" was to be helpful and kind to posters with a problem, and generally supportive to other women (like the ones who have lost the opportunity to be nominated for/win an award because a cheating male has taken the prize instead)

What a defensive post when we are on the same side. If you had seen my posts on the other thread you would know that I very much agree with you

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