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Actor in lead role of 'Emilia Perez' has received nomination for Best Actress

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Grammarnut · 24/01/2025 09:25

Karla Garcia Gascon has been nominated for Best Actress. Karla is a transwoman. This thread has been taken down twice. Hat trick, anyone?

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Hermyknee · 24/01/2025 20:27

Women have played transwomen before.

MummytoE · 24/01/2025 20:22

MonteStory · 24/01/2025 20:20

I refrained from using the phrase ‘cis -woman’ for fear of being jumped on.

but, to rephrase

it is not a role a cis-woman could play.

Shes a transwoman so in the actress category.

Ok?

Actress category should be for women not trans women. Ok?

MonteStory · 24/01/2025 20:20

I refrained from using the phrase ‘cis -woman’ for fear of being jumped on.

but, to rephrase

it is not a role a cis-woman could play.

Shes a transwoman so in the actress category.

Ok?

nutmeg7 · 24/01/2025 20:10

MonteStory · 24/01/2025 19:56

Who lost an opportunity?
If all the others were better they would have been nominated.
This argument is nonsensical. It’s a completely level playing field. Well except it isn’t because of people like you.

Comparing it to Mrs doubtfire is exactly why threads get deleted. Reasonable Munster users don’t want to debate with this offensive shit.

Shes a woman so she’s in the actress category. Get the fuck over it.

(cue ‘I’ll get over it when ‘they’ stop taking our opportunities’, like the Oscar was so nearly yours if it wasn’t for all those trans fuckers 😂😂. Honestly no one has a harder life than mumsnetters.)

Eh? You said earlier that it’s a role no woman could play.
Then you said “she’s a woman so she’s in the actress category, get the fuck over it”.

Which is it?

Are you using woman to mean different things in these sentences?

MummytoE · 24/01/2025 20:08

MonteStory · 24/01/2025 19:56

Who lost an opportunity?
If all the others were better they would have been nominated.
This argument is nonsensical. It’s a completely level playing field. Well except it isn’t because of people like you.

Comparing it to Mrs doubtfire is exactly why threads get deleted. Reasonable Munster users don’t want to debate with this offensive shit.

Shes a woman so she’s in the actress category. Get the fuck over it.

(cue ‘I’ll get over it when ‘they’ stop taking our opportunities’, like the Oscar was so nearly yours if it wasn’t for all those trans fuckers 😂😂. Honestly no one has a harder life than mumsnetters.)

Emilia did take the space of an actual woman in the nominations. Although I doubt she's on Mumsnet but who knows

Valeriekat · 24/01/2025 20:00

Hoppinggreen · 24/01/2025 09:42

I don't like it at all BUT if this person is legally considered to be a woman then I suppose they have a right to be in the category - they will probably win.
I think its a way of sticking 2 fingers up at Trump more than anything else

Yes I do think more people will vote for it as a vote against Trump which of course just penalises women again.

MonteStory · 24/01/2025 19:56

Who lost an opportunity?
If all the others were better they would have been nominated.
This argument is nonsensical. It’s a completely level playing field. Well except it isn’t because of people like you.

Comparing it to Mrs doubtfire is exactly why threads get deleted. Reasonable Munster users don’t want to debate with this offensive shit.

Shes a woman so she’s in the actress category. Get the fuck over it.

(cue ‘I’ll get over it when ‘they’ stop taking our opportunities’, like the Oscar was so nearly yours if it wasn’t for all those trans fuckers 😂😂. Honestly no one has a harder life than mumsnetters.)

Arran2024 · 24/01/2025 19:50

MonteStory · 24/01/2025 19:39

Pretty much sums up the transphobia mumsnet continues to provide a platform for.

When a trans person breathes there’s a bloody mumsnet thread about it.

Being trans does not benefit her in the way it would in sport. She is playing a trans character, indeed for much of the film she plays a man pre-transition. She hasn’t taken anyone’s space because this is not a role a woman could play.

The point is the part is a man's part. Like you say he starts off as a man. So a woman couldn't have played the part. This is exactly the same situation as with Dustin Hoffman and Robin Williams in Tootsie and Mrs Doubtfire, and those actors were put forward for the best actor category.

So they could have put this actor forward for best actor if they think the performance is so good. Sex not gender ID as the category. It is the same argument as with sport. Man taking a woman's place. How can you think losing opportunities for women is OK?

GiraffesAtThePark · 24/01/2025 19:46

MonteStory · 24/01/2025 19:39

Pretty much sums up the transphobia mumsnet continues to provide a platform for.

When a trans person breathes there’s a bloody mumsnet thread about it.

Being trans does not benefit her in the way it would in sport. She is playing a trans character, indeed for much of the film she plays a man pre-transition. She hasn’t taken anyone’s space because this is not a role a woman could play.

I thought the point was they’re nominated for an award in the women’s category and thus taking an award away from a woman.

Greyskybluesky · 24/01/2025 19:46

OMG. Again. It's not about the role. It's about the nomination category.
🙄

Hermyknee · 24/01/2025 19:44

MonteStory · 24/01/2025 19:39

Pretty much sums up the transphobia mumsnet continues to provide a platform for.

When a trans person breathes there’s a bloody mumsnet thread about it.

Being trans does not benefit her in the way it would in sport. She is playing a trans character, indeed for much of the film she plays a man pre-transition. She hasn’t taken anyone’s space because this is not a role a woman could play.

Why couldn’t a woman play this role? Women play men and men play women all the time in acting.

Whether any woman would want the backlash and whether any studio would fund it is another matter.

MonteStory · 24/01/2025 19:39

MummytoE · 24/01/2025 19:28

I'm confused about what I'm confused about 😂

Pretty much sums up the transphobia mumsnet continues to provide a platform for.

When a trans person breathes there’s a bloody mumsnet thread about it.

Being trans does not benefit her in the way it would in sport. She is playing a trans character, indeed for much of the film she plays a man pre-transition. She hasn’t taken anyone’s space because this is not a role a woman could play.

Greyskybluesky · 24/01/2025 19:35

No @hermyknee I'm not confused.
You are focusing on a different point to the one in the OP. That's all.

MummytoE · 24/01/2025 19:28

Hermyknee · 24/01/2025 19:26

I know!!!

Honestly I am getting you all confused as it is so confusing isn’t it 😅?!

I agree. My post was also saying this actor is not placed in the category of their biological sex.

I was also (failing) to put this into context to show that, despite gender swapping and sex swapping in roles, previously actors and actresses have always been nominated in the category of their biological sex.

I'm confused about what I'm confused about 😂

Hermyknee · 24/01/2025 19:26

Greyskybluesky · 24/01/2025 19:17

Yes. You are right. They were placed in the category of their biological sex.

Again - the point of the OP is that this actor is NOT placed in the category of their biological sex. That's literally the point.

I know!!!

Honestly I am getting you all confused as it is so confusing isn’t it 😅?!

I agree. My post was also saying this actor is not placed in the category of their biological sex.

I was also (failing) to put this into context to show that, despite gender swapping and sex swapping in roles, previously actors and actresses have always been nominated in the category of their biological sex.

Greyskybluesky · 24/01/2025 19:17

Hermyknee · 24/01/2025 19:07

What I am trying to say is that it is relevant. There are lots of examples of men playing men pretending to be women, women playing women pretending to be men. And Linda Hunt, a women, won an oscar playing a man. All of the above people throughout the years were placed in the category of their biological sex. Not who they played. Even Linda Hunt - her male role was in the actress category.

Yes. You are right. They were placed in the category of their biological sex.

Again - the point of the OP is that this actor is NOT placed in the category of their biological sex. That's literally the point.

MummytoE · 24/01/2025 19:12

Hermyknee · 24/01/2025 19:07

What I am trying to say is that it is relevant. There are lots of examples of men playing men pretending to be women, women playing women pretending to be men. And Linda Hunt, a women, won an oscar playing a man. All of the above people throughout the years were placed in the category of their biological sex. Not who they played. Even Linda Hunt - her male role was in the actress category.

I think you have missed the point

Hermyknee · 24/01/2025 19:07

Greyskybluesky · 24/01/2025 18:51

Her XX chromosomes. I'm talking about Lydia/Linda Hunt. Who are you talking about?

What I am trying to say is that it is relevant. There are lots of examples of men playing men pretending to be women, women playing women pretending to be men. And Linda Hunt, a women, won an oscar playing a man. All of the above people throughout the years were placed in the category of their biological sex. Not who they played. Even Linda Hunt - her male role was in the actress category.

GiraffesAtThePark · 24/01/2025 19:07

I’m going to have to disagree. This film looks amazing. Give them all the awards including best woman. It won’t age badly at all.

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Greyskybluesky · 24/01/2025 18:51

Livinginaclock · 24/01/2025 18:35

What makes them a woman?

Her XX chromosomes. I'm talking about Lydia/Linda Hunt. Who are you talking about?

Livinginaclock · 24/01/2025 18:35

Greyskybluesky · 24/01/2025 18:07

So she's a woman in real life and she got put in the actress category. The role she portrayed is irrelevant here.

The point of the original post is that the actor is male and got put in the actress category. Thereby depriving a woman of a nomination in the actress category.

Edited

What makes them a woman?

Chersfrozenface · 24/01/2025 18:33

Why, it's almost as if men are automatically judged as better than women even when they are far less talented.

TBF, I think it's just a particular kind of men at this juncture.

RoyalCorgi · 24/01/2025 18:24

Arran2024 · 24/01/2025 17:15

Karl has shot to the top of the acting profession with this role. Previously, both as a man and then as a trans woman, there was no suggestion of such amazing acting. No big award nominations. No huge parts. And Karla is 52, so that's a long time making it to film stardom. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karla_Sof%C3%ADa_Gasc%C3%B3n

Incredible, isn't it? It's fairly predictable that an average male competitor swimmer would be better than the elite females. But an average male actor? How come he's suddenly considered better than the women? Why, it's almost as if men are automatically judged as better than women even when they are far less talented.

Greyskybluesky · 24/01/2025 18:07

Hermyknee · 24/01/2025 18:03

No they are not. Thats exactly what I am saying. She was portraying a man (not a cross dresser or trans character) and still got put in the actress category.

So she's a woman in real life and she got put in the actress category. The role she portrayed is irrelevant here.

The point of the original post is that the actor is male and got put in the actress category. Thereby depriving a woman of a nomination in the actress category.

Hermyknee · 24/01/2025 18:03

Greyskybluesky · 24/01/2025 17:53

Is this person a trans man in real life?

If not then it's not the same.

No they are not. Thats exactly what I am saying. She was portraying a man (not a cross dresser or trans character) and still got put in the actress category.

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