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Positive aspects of trans?

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eatfigs · 23/01/2025 22:03

Now that one of the most powerful men on the planet has put his weight behind ending the influence of gender identity ideological beliefs on American government policy, I think it's fair to assume this is the beginning of the end for trans activism, not just in the US but globally.

Maybe a eulogy is premature but it got me thinking about some of the arguably more positive aspects of trans that will be on the way out too.

Such as, I like their underlying message of non-conformity with sex roles. Why shouldn't we all wear what we please, regardless of our sex? There's nothing wrong with a man wearing a dress or a woman wearing trousers and a shirt.

I also like how much of the original intent, back when trans was considered a manifestation of gender dysphoria, was to be accommodating to individuals with a medical condition that caused them significant distress. Like we make accommodations for many other vulnerable or marginalised groups.

Finally I appreciate how trans gives many people a sense of community in a world that in hostile to individuals who don't conform to society's expectations. Trans activism in particular gives them a purpose.

I still fundamentally disagree with their beliefs, and everything positive I mentioned above is sullied with all the harmful nonsense they layered on top of it. But I just wanted to give a thoughtful nod to the underdog on its way down.

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OolongTeaDrinker · 23/01/2025 22:51

Such as, I like their underlying message of non-conformity with sex roles. Why shouldn't we all wear what we please, regardless of our sex? There's nothing wrong with a man wearing a dress or a woman wearing trousers and a shirt

But this is literally the opposite of what the trans movement thinks - look at Dylan Mulvaney as a famous example. He put on a dress not to be a non conforming man, but he is insisting that this makes him a woman. By the way most women wear trousers and a shirt, that’s hardly non conforming, and David Bowie for example wore dresses in the 70s without claiming he was changing sex. Gender bending clothing is not a new thing discovered by the recent gender ideology movement and no one has had a problem with people wearing whatever they want for decades now.

BeaAndBen · 23/01/2025 22:45

You have it arse backwards, @eatfigs !

Second wave feminists say men can wear makeup and be feminine, women can be masculine and have buzz cuts. Those espousing a trans mantra say anyone in makeup and being feminine must be a woman, anyone butch with short hair must be a man.

Gender nonconformity is freedom. Trans ideology relies on gender stereotypes to exist.

lonelywater · 23/01/2025 22:40

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SunnieShine · 23/01/2025 22:40

What is your definition of "trans"?

Bannedontherun · 23/01/2025 22:37

What? I mean WTF?

I could write an essay in response.

“Trans” as you put it is all about conformity, in a whole range of ways.

Not least trying to trans out the gay, and targeting children to achieve this.

it is far more complex than the above statement i have made, and your rather silly and fascicle statement.

previous generations challenged gendered roles like in the seventies and the eighties, men in dresses wearing make up and using women's spaces has done no such thing.

i hate this phrase go educate yourself but on this occasion …

Lovethesparklylights · 23/01/2025 22:22

I like their underlying message of non-conformity with sex roles. Why shouldn't we all wear what we please, regardless of our sex? There's nothing wrong with a man wearing a dress or a woman wearing trousers and a shirt.

Totally disagree. They are literally saying that if you wear your hair long or wish to wear make-up you're a woman not a man, because men would never do that.
If the message was anyone can wear anything they want and that is fine and MEN can wear dresses and that DOESN'T mean they're a woman, that might be positive.

I think they are taking confused, lost children and medicalising them and sterilising them and making it so they can't back out and can't change their mind without losing their tribe. TRA's are vicious and I can't wait for the whole deluded mess of an ideology to just go away. There is nothing positive about it.

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