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Horrifying Republican response to Bishop's sermon

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JessaWoo · 22/01/2025 03:20

These are tweets from Matt Walsh on X about Bishop Marian Budde and her sermon earlier today in Washington, attacking her womanhood and ability in a sexist and ageist tirade. It seems the clarion call has gone out to the rest of the Trump X minions, as they are all tweeting the same sentiments - including Kellie-Jay Keen and Donald Trump Jnr. Rep. Mike Collins całłed for her deportation, although she is American. Do you still support Trump after this?

“A liberal woman over the age of 50 with a lesbian haircut is guaranteed to support the most evil ideas and policies that mankind has ever conceived.”

“Just take one look at this witch and you know everything you need to know about her, even before she starts talking.”

“Of course this grotesque display is coming from a female “priest.” You will only ever hear heresy and inanity from someone whose whole existence is blasphemous.”

And another tweet from Bo Loudon: “🚨BREAKING: A bishop at the National Cathedrol just urged President Trump to protect transgender children and not deport illegal aliens because "they're not criminals."

Pure class from President Trump as he sat through this despicable politicization of the prayer service.”

Speech text:
““In the Name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now,” Budde stated. “There are gay, lesbian, and transgender children in Democratic, Republican and independent families. Some who fear for their lives.

”The people who pick our crops and clean our office buildings, who labor in poultry farms and meat-packing plants, who wash the dishes after we eat in restaurants and work the night shifts in hospitals. They may not be citizens, or have the proper documentation, but the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals.”

Budde asked Trump “to have mercy” on people “in our communities whose children fear that their parents will be taken away and that you help those who are fleeing warzones and persecution in their own lands to find compassion and welcome here.

“Our God teaches us that we are to be merciful to the stranger, for we were all once strangers in this land,” she continued. “May God grant us the strength and courage to honor the dignity of every human being, to speak the truth to one another in love, and walk humbly with each other and our God.”

Earlier in her message, Budde stressed the importance of unity, of respectfully disagreeing with one another, but also expressed concern over what she called “the culture of contempt” and feared “the loss of equality” for some who lose in political debates.

What a horrible, divisive message this is! 🙄 Personally, I think Budde's message is courageous and beautiful, and clearly deeply Christian at its core.

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TempestTost · 24/01/2025 22:44

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 24/01/2025 22:05

Who is giving unqualified people a job?

Do you think minorities aren't qualified for the jobs they get?

Not at all, which is why they should be hired on the same basis as everyone else, for being the best candidate for the job.

It is still totally illegal to discriminate against women or minorities.

What this is saying is that they cannot hire, or not hire, people on the basis of their immutable characteristics, whether they are minorities or not. So you can't not hire someone for being a woman, a man, white, black, or anything else.

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 24/01/2025 22:36

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 24/01/2025 22:15

Thank you @Princessconsuelabananahammock9 . Now, do you believe that trans women should be allowed to access women's only spaces?

Actually, I'm going to answer this myself because I have been back through some of your posts and you have said before that you do not think they shoud be able to.
You also said One of the reasons I started following Jordan Peterson initially. He was fighting a law around language, and I agreed with him. That jumped out at me because that is exactly when I realised that there was a serious shift going on in society and I thought, maybe I need to educate myself on this.
What do you think might be the biggest point of difference between ourselves?

TempestTost · 24/01/2025 22:31

Heggettypeg · 24/01/2025 19:03

That's interesting. It suggests other things are of more concern to them than being an "oppressed minority", despite their terrible history. Do you know more about this?

It's actually partly a numbers game - they are a small population, so unless they all reliably voted one way they wouldn't be a worthwhile voting block. And their voting patterns are fairly divided. So the group that is reliably Democrat is small, and any attempt to appeal to them with electoral bribes is tricky - it might appeal to some but will turn off others.

More generally, compared to the average Democrat voters, they are more working class, more religious, and more socially conservative. Of all demographics, they hate identity politics the most.

It's a guess on my part, but I think they tend to be a people who see being rooted in their traditions as important - they don't think it's a good idea to throw away social structures and conventions. So that kind of political progressivism that has no truck with anything old or customary doesn't really resonate.

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/01/2025 22:25

I came to talk about the Republican harassment campaign against the Bishop of Washington.

I didn't start taking about racism and sexism against straight, white men. Is this a new branch of feminism?

TempestTost · 24/01/2025 22:17

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/01/2025 18:13

I agree. Contrary to what @TempestTost said, I'm not a regular on threads about DEI because I can't be arsed listening to right whingers bang on about racism and sexism against straight, white men. If I wanted that sort of shite I'd go on an MRA site, not a feminist forum.

And yet here you are, still deliberately not understanding that organized discrimination on the basis of race is a bad thing.

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 24/01/2025 22:15

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 24/01/2025 22:08

I'll answer this.

I believe in women only spaces.

I don't believe in self ID.

I believe trans women are trans women and not " men in dresses."

I believe Trans men are trans men and not " self hating lesbians."

Thank you @Princessconsuelabananahammock9 . Now, do you believe that trans women should be allowed to access women's only spaces?

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 24/01/2025 22:08

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 24/01/2025 21:21

Crickets

I'll answer this.

I believe in women only spaces.

I don't believe in self ID.

I believe trans women are trans women and not " men in dresses."

I believe Trans men are trans men and not " self hating lesbians."

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 24/01/2025 22:05

AlisonDonut · 24/01/2025 21:50

Giving people who cannot do the job, the job because of their immutable characteristics rather than actual ability is really bad, particularly when safety is an issue.

Why would you want to hire people who can't do the job?

Who is giving unqualified people a job?

Do you think minorities aren't qualified for the jobs they get?

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 24/01/2025 22:05

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/01/2025 21:57

You don't hire people who can't do the job. Plenty of experienced, qualified women and minorities out there.

This EO will not stop women and minorities who can do the job from applying or being hired. It stops them from being hired preferentially as "diversity" hires, just as they cannot be in the UK.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 24/01/2025 22:01

Danja2010 · 24/01/2025 21:37

Why do you think DEI was necessary ?
Did you not see who was on the podium with Trump ? You have Zuckerberg who wants to bring masculinity back to the workplace ! What rock do you live under ????

And it remains rightly illegal to discriminate against women in employment throughout the USA.

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/01/2025 21:57

You don't hire people who can't do the job. Plenty of experienced, qualified women and minorities out there.

AlisonDonut · 24/01/2025 21:50

Giving people who cannot do the job, the job because of their immutable characteristics rather than actual ability is really bad, particularly when safety is an issue.

Why would you want to hire people who can't do the job?

Danja2010 · 24/01/2025 21:38

legalimmigrant · 24/01/2025 20:23

Whatever you think of Trump, his ability (or his advisors' ability) to really understand what the vast majority of the population want is pretty amazing.

That advert - 'Harris is for they/them, Trump is for you' was utterly brilliant.

So many people will be breathing a sigh of relief over a return to common sense and reality.

The left tried to suppress, and gaslight and coercively control and impose terrible punishments for being able to recognise the reality of something as basic as biological sex. And Trump saw that and said 'that's batshit' and realised it was an easy way to win, and here we are.

There was no vast majority I would like to remind you .

Danja2010 · 24/01/2025 21:37

AlisonDonut · 24/01/2025 20:27

Are you saying it is only white men that are capable of doing all the jobs in the USA? That's pretty sexist and racist. You might need to cancel yourself.

Why do you think DEI was necessary ?
Did you not see who was on the podium with Trump ? You have Zuckerberg who wants to bring masculinity back to the workplace ! What rock do you live under ????

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 24/01/2025 21:21

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 24/01/2025 08:55

Good morning @izimbra . I have had my coffee and eagerly await your answer to the question:
If you cannot define the word woman than you cannot define woman's rights. So you are fighting for people's rights, not women's rights. Are there no situations in which you feel women need separate provision to men?

Crickets

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NotBadConsidering · 24/01/2025 20:37

JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 11:29

@NotBadConsidering

I know what you think it means. You think that anyone agreeing with anyone on one thing means you worship the ground they walk on. Despite multiple threads and multiple posts on this thread pointing out the falsity of your belief, you insist upon it anyway. Like I said, it’s very trite.

Well, no, that's not what I think at all. 🙄 Opinions and views are somewhat more nuanced than that, and I'm quite aware that agreement on one thing does not mean agreement with an entire platform.

Yet despite this claim, you haven’t explained what “you support Trump” means in your OP. C’est la vie.

AlisonDonut · 24/01/2025 20:27

Danja2010 · 24/01/2025 17:49

You are seriously confused !
This is giving white men an excuse to only hire white men !

Are you saying it is only white men that are capable of doing all the jobs in the USA? That's pretty sexist and racist. You might need to cancel yourself.

legalimmigrant · 24/01/2025 20:23

Whatever you think of Trump, his ability (or his advisors' ability) to really understand what the vast majority of the population want is pretty amazing.

That advert - 'Harris is for they/them, Trump is for you' was utterly brilliant.

So many people will be breathing a sigh of relief over a return to common sense and reality.

The left tried to suppress, and gaslight and coercively control and impose terrible punishments for being able to recognise the reality of something as basic as biological sex. And Trump saw that and said 'that's batshit' and realised it was an easy way to win, and here we are.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 24/01/2025 19:48

Danja2010 · 24/01/2025 17:49

You are seriously confused !
This is giving white men an excuse to only hire white men !

Did you read the EO? Because I have done and that's not what it does.

Heggettypeg · 24/01/2025 19:03

TempestTost · 24/01/2025 17:34

They don't vote Democrat, so why bother with them?

That's interesting. It suggests other things are of more concern to them than being an "oppressed minority", despite their terrible history. Do you know more about this?

Heggettypeg · 24/01/2025 18:17

Danja2010 · 24/01/2025 17:55

Don't come on here and act like you have some great knowledge on Democrats , Democrat women and how we think or what we believe in . Your views and opinions are abhorrent.

Bishop Budde has now been applauded world wide and it is wonderful to see her sermon spread . There was no flame to fire . It was pure love .

Pure love is the easy part.
Applied love is where the trouble really starts, because that's where you come up against the need to recognise and balance conflicting needs and rights.

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/01/2025 18:13

Danja2010 · 24/01/2025 17:49

You are seriously confused !
This is giving white men an excuse to only hire white men !

I agree. Contrary to what @TempestTost said, I'm not a regular on threads about DEI because I can't be arsed listening to right whingers bang on about racism and sexism against straight, white men. If I wanted that sort of shite I'd go on an MRA site, not a feminist forum.

lifeturnsonadime · 24/01/2025 17:58

Danja2010 · 24/01/2025 17:55

Don't come on here and act like you have some great knowledge on Democrats , Democrat women and how we think or what we believe in . Your views and opinions are abhorrent.

Bishop Budde has now been applauded world wide and it is wonderful to see her sermon spread . There was no flame to fire . It was pure love .

What's abhorrent about wanting to protect trans women from discrimination in housing and employment?

What's abhorrent about wanting women to have single sex prisons where they can't be sexually assaulted or raped by males who are convicted with previous sex offences?

What's abhorrent about wanting women to have equality in sport by having single sex provision?

What's abhorrent about being disappointed that the Obama failed to encode Roe v Wade so women would not be in the current position wrt abortion which was HIS pre- election promise?

If Democratic women think that my views are abhorrent then god help the left. I mean seriously!

Danja2010 · 24/01/2025 17:55

lifeturnsonadime · 24/01/2025 15:55

Humour me - do you think transgender people who are frightened of the future under Trump should be treated with mercy and compassion or not?

But what are they frightened of?

If it's the removal of privileges such as those conferred under the Biden's first day EO then no I don't have so much sympathy. If it's the removal of males from the women's prison estate no, I have none.

I do think that transgender people are more vulnerable in the US due to the fact that they are not protected from discrimination in respect of housing and employment rights and so long as they are not trying to remove women's sex based rights they should be able to live their lives peacefully without facing such hardships.

This whole shit show has resulted from actions and inactions from the Democrats. As others have pointed out they totally ignored the impact of this on women and made an argument that somehow giving women sex based protections would have a detrimental impact on reproduction rights. What a load of rubbish. People have short memories. Obama promised to codify Roe v Wade - if he'd made that a first day EO then they wouldn't be able to use that as a stick to beat women with because the Supreme Court couldn't have overturned it.

The Democrats don't have too much political appetite for women's rights when it comes down to it, only in so far as it props the rights of men. Otherwise they would protect women.

It's a fucking disgrace that neither side of the political debate puts women first.

So now we have Trump coming to the rescue. We know he's no feminist but he saw a gap and took it.

The fact that this EO helps women and we say so doesn't make us right wing aligned.

As for the Bishop's sermon, she should not face abuse but she should have had more sense than to flame the fire.

Don't come on here and act like you have some great knowledge on Democrats , Democrat women and how we think or what we believe in . Your views and opinions are abhorrent.

Bishop Budde has now been applauded world wide and it is wonderful to see her sermon spread . There was no flame to fire . It was pure love .

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