Horrifying Republican response to Bishop's sermon

OP, I don't support Trump. I think he is a dangerous demagogue, bordering on the fascist.

I do, however, support this particular executive order, which I think is a very clear, unambiguous statement of scientific facts. After many years in which Democrats have stamped all over scientific reality in favour of a deranged form of postmodernist anti-truth ideology, it is very welcome.

I'm sorry if you find this hard to grasp.

Ah, she like a prophet who is here to convey that unless we tell children there are 200 genders ,and you can change sex, and that if you get extensive cosmetic surgery you can become your true authentic self.

That's what God wants for you kids, and anyone who tells you this is a dangerous lie is trying to kill you and you must hate them.

This new Christianity is so Good. These new prophets so Righteous with their Truth to Power.
I presume you are all now rushing out of find one of these Holy new Churches?

Exactly. Religious leaders absolutely should be standing up to Trump, but through reasoned arguments, not the same old fake bollocks that plagues US political discourse today, and which even Trumpist morons can see through when it comes from the liberal side.

Same with immigration. If the American left wants unrestricted immigration, they could say so. A vague "let's be nice to immigrants" that doesn't acknowledge that there are actually laws about immigration and people are actually breaking the laws just makes you look soft on crime. (And creates the perverse situation where people who don't care about laws enter the country in droves whereas most law-abiding ones, who would undoubtedly make better immigrants, are shut out.)

But the misogynistic attacks are awful: much worse than anything she said.

The moment she said “transgender children” was when I couldn’t take anything else seriously. Wasn’t it also offensive of her to paint a picture of immigrants as being toilet cleaners and chicken factory workers?

A missed opportunity to be unifying and the Bishop blew it. This divisive leftist way of thinking lost support for the Democrats in the first place. It’s clearly going to take them and this Bishop some time to figure out why they lost if they even bother to try.

I found the tone of the bishop quite nauseating. I imagine Fox Fisher is already doing one of their crap drawings of them to add to their list of trans saints. I congratulate them for having balls of steel though - to stand up there and be Jesus-like in a country where everybody’s own version of Jesus plays far too big a part in their politics . Great opportunity, well taken.

I just wish she’d have mentioned the terrified plastic-surgeons and share-holders of drug companies who must be quaking in their condos as they see their lucrative transition business disappearing. How scared must they be?

Matt Walsh is an odious man. Trump is a showman in charge of a circus.

But I’m glad the brakes are being applied to the runaway train that decided to deny women the right to be defined. That allowed self-harming teenagers the opportunity to pay for someone else to join in and profit from their adolescent self-loathing.

I’m in no way deluded that women still have a fucking enormous fight on many fronts - but at least we can fight for our rights from a basis of sanity - where we all know exactly what we mean when we say ‘I am a woman’. And it’s on that basis that I will continue to fight for fair-play, abortion-rights, better maternity care etc..

I'm a Christian.
I thought her sermon was dangerous nonsense.

Children have been terribly horribly harmed by gender ideology both physically and psychologically, it is not an ideology any Church should be supporting.

To suggest children's lives are now in danger because this is being undone, is a lie, a dangerous insidious lie that harms children.

And nobody is claiming all immigrants are illegal so she's making stupid pious declarations to pander to fear again. Only illegal immigrants are illegal and they are the ones Trump and his voters are concerned about.

In fact i think the mask slips with Democrats frequently on this point: they are they ones who can't seem to understand there is a difference between legal and illegal immigration, almost as if they think all 'foreigners' are the same...??

This type of 'Christianity' which has simplified the Christian message to a #BeKind performance for non Christians, It's both pointless and self destructive. They are the Church of Woke because they think this is where The Righteousness now resides.
They should care less about appearing Righteous and think more carefully about what is right.

Matt Walsh is a Catholic anti feminist who doesn't think women should be priests. If you know that and keep following him to be outraged that some people think that, well, I presume you're enjoying yourself.

When did that bishop lie to children? What exactly did she say that makes you think she should have been called a witch?

I have no problem with her speaking to power if it was accurate. Speaking of “transgender children” fearing for their lives because of an executive order that establishes biological reality isn’t that. I bet she hasn’t even read it.

Old Testament prophets didn't hold back from criticising kings. It's part of the job. Speaking truth to power.

but for a woman of the cloth to so publically politicise a speech to embarrass a sitting democratically elected leader was wrong.

When the fuck have people of the cloth started to hold their tongue against what they see is wrong ??

When since has caring for children and people been political for fucks sake? She didn't rant about tariffs or interest rates , she talked about PEOPLE.

I am sure that they do. But in what way did the bishop mean that they feared for their lives more than other groups so that they should be especially mentioned in an inauguration service?

I think your missing the whole point @AlisonDonut

Transgender people have a lot of irrational thoughts. Like they’re the opposite sex, for instance. Or stereotypes define them. Or they aren’t a sex at all. Doesn’t mean any of it is true.

Helping people who say they’re trans come to terms with the idea that just because people don’t believe their self projection and no longer feel obligated to pretend they do, doesn’t mean the world is out to get them would be a helpful progression to finding a balance.

Instead we have people like this bishop saying that people saying no to them is going to be the death of them. It’s not true and it’s not helpful.

Asking a president to be kind is "deliberately provocative"? That's quite a twist in the use of basic language.

The money taken out goes to the tax authorities.

How do you suggest they avoid paying sales taxes?

In the US in particular, some do, and with good reason. It is irresponsible to deny it.

I think it is inevitable that these changes are going to cause chaos for a while.

Transactivist laws and customs have been rolled out in the US, largely under the radar and with discussion and criticism being painted as so blasphemous that many felt unable to speak out.

Because of that people have become utterly sick of the whole thing, because by the time it came to light it was deeply embedded and huge harm had been done, both to girls and women in sports and to imprisoned women.

The few who finally felt able to speak out were often powerful men, from the Christian right, unlike those who spoke out in the UK, who were largely left-leaning women.

The election of Trump and the advertisements that were seen to be so damaging to Kamala have opened that rift wide open. It really is broadly an emperor’s new clothes moment and the shift has come incredibly fast.

It will take some time for society to readjust to the new normal. I personally have some fear that there will now be a backlash against lesbian and gay people, because the Christian right now properly have the bit between their teeth. I don’t think fearmongering, as it sounds like this preacher has done, is helpful as it comes across as more of the hyperbole that transactivists have become known for.

If it was during an inauguration service for Trump, I also think it was could well be regarded as an inappropriate time and place and no wonder there would be backlash.

So while I am glad of Trump’s executive order, which seemed entirely rational I do think we are about to see mass instability for a while. I expected transactivism to fall apart slowly, as the medical negligence cases piled up. The current huge shift is going to cause a lot of rifts for a while and I simply hope that when it all settles into place, we find ourselves in a more rational place than where we have been for the past few years and that those who have won genuine civil rights campaigns up until now, such as women and lesbian and gay people, manage to retain those rights

I might be naive, it's hard to tell from inside your own head.

However, I don't think the president of the USA has Posie Parker on speed dial.

I must have misunderstood too. But then again, it was titled as a thread to discuss the reaction rather than actually discussing the positives and negatives of what the bishop said.

It could be said to be a thread to direct a ‘pile on’ at those who are commenting negatively. Which could surely be seen as an act that would be classed as hypocritical of the OP?

I believe that Chase Strangio clarified that suicides within the group of people who have transgender identities are rare, in court for the US v. Skrmetti case before Christmas.

Suicidality is high and spreading misinformation about completed suicides in a specific group is not a response that likely lowers that suicidality, is it?

Strangio also admitted that there was currently no evidence that gender affirming treatment lowered suicide numbers.

“Strangio said: “What I think that is referring to is there is no evidence in some—in the studies that this treatment reduces completed suicide. And the reason for that is completed suicide, thankfully and admittedly, is rare and we’re talking about a very small population of individuals with studies that don’t necessarily have completed suicides within them.”
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However, there are multiple studies, long-term longitudinal studies that do show that there is a reduction in—in suicidality . . .” “

https://www.city-journal.org/article/aclu-attorney-confesses-transgender-suicide-claim-is-a-myth

What Strangio said has been clarified over the past years in multiple countries not just the USA. Concerningly, suicide numbers are not shown to decrease with the current gender affirming care recommendations. Hence why there is so much discussion about those treatment recommendations.

Trump I imagine. Just for the reaction.

You are so desperate to accuse me of shutting people down, whilst responding to you every single time and then saying 'I shall here and henceforth refuse to respond to you'.

Makes total sense.

Te sermon was deliberately provocative and inappropriate for the occasion.
I wonder who booked it.

Is this thread about Matt Walsh? I thought it was about the Bishop and her sermon.