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Horrifying Republican response to Bishop's sermon

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JessaWoo · 22/01/2025 03:20

These are tweets from Matt Walsh on X about Bishop Marian Budde and her sermon earlier today in Washington, attacking her womanhood and ability in a sexist and ageist tirade. It seems the clarion call has gone out to the rest of the Trump X minions, as they are all tweeting the same sentiments - including Kellie-Jay Keen and Donald Trump Jnr. Rep. Mike Collins całłed for her deportation, although she is American. Do you still support Trump after this?

“A liberal woman over the age of 50 with a lesbian haircut is guaranteed to support the most evil ideas and policies that mankind has ever conceived.”

“Just take one look at this witch and you know everything you need to know about her, even before she starts talking.”

“Of course this grotesque display is coming from a female “priest.” You will only ever hear heresy and inanity from someone whose whole existence is blasphemous.”

And another tweet from Bo Loudon: “🚨BREAKING: A bishop at the National Cathedrol just urged President Trump to protect transgender children and not deport illegal aliens because "they're not criminals."

Pure class from President Trump as he sat through this despicable politicization of the prayer service.”

Speech text:
““In the Name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now,” Budde stated. “There are gay, lesbian, and transgender children in Democratic, Republican and independent families. Some who fear for their lives.

”The people who pick our crops and clean our office buildings, who labor in poultry farms and meat-packing plants, who wash the dishes after we eat in restaurants and work the night shifts in hospitals. They may not be citizens, or have the proper documentation, but the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals.”

Budde asked Trump “to have mercy” on people “in our communities whose children fear that their parents will be taken away and that you help those who are fleeing warzones and persecution in their own lands to find compassion and welcome here.

“Our God teaches us that we are to be merciful to the stranger, for we were all once strangers in this land,” she continued. “May God grant us the strength and courage to honor the dignity of every human being, to speak the truth to one another in love, and walk humbly with each other and our God.”

Earlier in her message, Budde stressed the importance of unity, of respectfully disagreeing with one another, but also expressed concern over what she called “the culture of contempt” and feared “the loss of equality” for some who lose in political debates.

What a horrible, divisive message this is! 🙄 Personally, I think Budde's message is courageous and beautiful, and clearly deeply Christian at its core.

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SecretSoul · 22/01/2025 15:22

Naunet · 22/01/2025 14:27

They still have legal child marriage in many states, and no one being outraged over it, even Musk who is apparently oh so concered with child abuse over here. It's a backwards fucked up country, anyone who believed them when they claimed it was the land of the free, is an idiot.

Musk only concerns himself with child abuse when the perpetrators are non-white. Can’t imagine why…..oh wait….

Naunet · 22/01/2025 14:27

ChessorBuckaroo · 22/01/2025 13:43

As I said yesterday, america is reverting back to its puritanical, persecuting, bigoted roots.

And we cannot just say it's a fringe element, its millions of them, tens of millions of them. And the speaker of the house, mike johnson, is a particular monster.

It's a scary time for all minorities there. Non white people have been catching hell there for 400 years, but now it's the LGBT community who are front and centre of their ire.

Homosexuality only became legal there nationwide in 2003 (via federal law), 14 states (yellow in the diagram below, the backward, knuckle dragging heartland of the trump followers) still have sodomy laws in the books.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_States

They still have legal child marriage in many states, and no one being outraged over it, even Musk who is apparently oh so concered with child abuse over here. It's a backwards fucked up country, anyone who believed them when they claimed it was the land of the free, is an idiot.

Naunet · 22/01/2025 14:22

biscuitandcake · 22/01/2025 13:31

She wasn't asking for compassion for the hard left though. She was asking for compassion for children/scared people/vulnerable people. Even if she was talking about the hard left. Other cheeks and all that.
But tribalism is stupid. Especially when it drags in people who have no real choice about being dragged into it.

Where did I say she was asking for compassion for the hard left?!

Winterwonders24 · 22/01/2025 14:13

Jacquette · 22/01/2025 12:15

It’s going to be a hellish 4 years.

4? JD Vance has more brains and is a much more palatable communicator.

Grammarnut · 22/01/2025 14:11

EmmaMaria · 22/01/2025 14:02

Isn't that pretty much what the Pharisees said about that Jesus bloke?

Not quite. They were for outward show. The bishop was doing some outward show, too.

Grammarnut · 22/01/2025 14:10

She was brave but she talked nonsense about trans children, who do not exist. She also, in supporting the trans agenda, is also supporting the misogynistic principles trans is based on - and thus no better than Republican misogynists.
However, the Republican ad hominem attacks are a) pointless and b) stupid.

EmmaMaria · 22/01/2025 14:02

Shortshriftandlethal · 22/01/2025 13:55

Obviously personal abuse is not an appropriate response, but I thought she over-stepped her role in the ceremony, and made clear, partisan, political comment. If she had wanted to keep people in her prayers, she could have done so but worded and delivered the sentiment differently.

Isn't that pretty much what the Pharisees said about that Jesus bloke?

EmmaMaria · 22/01/2025 14:01

I'm off to get myself a lesbian haircut. Do you think the stylist will have a selection to choose from or is it just the one?

Shortshriftandlethal · 22/01/2025 13:55

wobblyweewoman · 22/01/2025 03:44

I thought it was embarrassing for her. Transgender people fear for their lives? Irresponsible hyperbole.

Obviously personal abuse is not an appropriate response, but I thought she over-stepped her role in the ceremony, and made clear, partisan, political comment. If she had wanted to keep people in her prayers, she could have done so but worded and delivered the sentiment differently.

ChessorBuckaroo · 22/01/2025 13:50

Sorry, 14 states don't still have sodomy laws in the books, "only" 12 of them do with sodomy having not been repealed by their state legislatures.

If you are gay, trans (and not white, but that's a longstanding separate matter) you, in 2025, are being openly targeted there.

ChessorBuckaroo · 22/01/2025 13:43

As I said yesterday, america is reverting back to its puritanical, persecuting, bigoted roots.

And we cannot just say it's a fringe element, its millions of them, tens of millions of them. And the speaker of the house, mike johnson, is a particular monster.

It's a scary time for all minorities there. Non white people have been catching hell there for 400 years, but now it's the LGBT community who are front and centre of their ire.

Homosexuality only became legal there nationwide in 2003 (via federal law), 14 states (yellow in the diagram below, the backward, knuckle dragging heartland of the trump followers) still have sodomy laws in the books.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_States

Sodomy laws in the United States - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_States

TooBigForMyBoots · 22/01/2025 13:32

Niminy · 22/01/2025 13:27

Agreed. She's getting loads of love from the bekind crew. It's nothing compared to the courage of those who stood up against GI and not only lost their livelihoods but had disgusting abuse rained down on them.

She's receiving plenty of abuse, misogynist abuse and a call from a legistlator to deport her.

biscuitandcake · 22/01/2025 13:31

Naunet · 22/01/2025 13:27

Like JK Rowling asking for compassion for women? Remind me, what's been the response from the hard left on that?

She wasn't asking for compassion for the hard left though. She was asking for compassion for children/scared people/vulnerable people. Even if she was talking about the hard left. Other cheeks and all that.
But tribalism is stupid. Especially when it drags in people who have no real choice about being dragged into it.

Naunet · 22/01/2025 13:27

Newsenmum · 22/01/2025 12:05

She’s asked for compassion 😂

Like JK Rowling asking for compassion for women? Remind me, what's been the response from the hard left on that?

Niminy · 22/01/2025 13:27

user243245346 · 22/01/2025 12:58

Yes I agree that what she said is very mainstream and as the orthodoxy a few weeks ago. She will be unlikely to face any negative consequences of saying it - quite the opposite. So I don't find her brave.

Those who stood up for women in the teeth of trans ideology and were cancelled and called bigots. Those who lost their jobs and livelihoods. They're brave

Agreed. She's getting loads of love from the bekind crew. It's nothing compared to the courage of those who stood up against GI and not only lost their livelihoods but had disgusting abuse rained down on them.

biscuitandcake · 22/01/2025 13:26

wobblyweewoman · 22/01/2025 03:44

I thought it was embarrassing for her. Transgender people fear for their lives? Irresponsible hyperbole.

They are though. There will be "transgender" children who are very scared right now. You can argue about whether this is justified or not and about whose fault the fear is. But ordinarily the idea that a president has a role to reassure the citizens of his country/build bridges isn't all that controversial. How much easier (and more normal) it would have been for Walsh/Trump/Vance etc to give some reassurance along the lines of "we don't hate you" than going straight to personal attacks on the Bishop.
I for example am very glad that in the UK we had a halt on puberty blockers/hormone treatment for children/adolescents. That doesn't need to be accompanied by the sort of rhetoric of "crushing the woke". Being kind to children/vulnerable people does not mean giving them everything they want/think they need. It is still important to be kind to children.

Naunet · 22/01/2025 13:25

Danja2010 · 22/01/2025 05:22

Are you joking ? This is in America where it is awash with guns !!! It was a beautiful sermon.

Sorry, what has america being awashed with guns got to do with trans people specifically? Are you suggesting gun owners are targeting and murdering trans people, is that what you're saying? If so, do you have evidence this?

Newmumhere40 · 22/01/2025 13:15

AlisonDonut · 22/01/2025 04:29

That wasn't the whole speech was it...

'They may not be citizens, or have the proper documentation, but the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals.”

You missed out the next line which was 'they pay taxes'.

They won't pay taxes will they? What with being undocumented and all. That's the point.

Oh educate yourself!

Waterboatlass · 22/01/2025 13:11

I didn't agree with the entire detail of the speech (transgender children and paying taxes especially as this excludes those being exploited via illegal industry or being paid cash in hand) however I did certainly agree with the gist. Admirable but could have been better written, I thought. I'm not religious but I thought maybe a bit more reference to scripture would have given it weight. I disagree there are no possible consequences for putting her head above the parapet in a society like that

lcakethereforeIam · 22/01/2025 13:03

I won't disagree that she was brave. Not wearing an LGB Alliance hat to Pride brave, but brave nonetheless. It's a pity that 'be kind' even sermonised is still a tired old trope, and that by saying it in respect of so called transgender children she's essentially using her platform to tell them they are in danger. Just what disturbed kids in a febrile atmosphere need to hear. A woman so high on her righteousness, she didn't think through what she was actually saying.

HPFA · 22/01/2025 12:58

She shows a lot more courage than the billionaires and media owners currently licking Trump's ......

user243245346 · 22/01/2025 12:58

Niminy · 22/01/2025 11:52

On the one hand it takes some bravery to stand up and tell someone to their face that you think they're wrong. Though I don't like her framing (Trump is #unkind) and the self-righteous and passive agressive tone of the sermon. I hope I (as a priest) don't preach like that. But I give her credit for saying it to his face. On the other hand, I've seen that sermon lauded by loads of clergy, and I expect she represents the mainstream opinion in the American Episcopal Church, so it's not as if she was going out on a limb with the audience that really mattered to her -- ie progressives.

Yes I agree that what she said is very mainstream and as the orthodoxy a few weeks ago. She will be unlikely to face any negative consequences of saying it - quite the opposite. So I don't find her brave.

Those who stood up for women in the teeth of trans ideology and were cancelled and called bigots. Those who lost their jobs and livelihoods. They're brave

user243245346 · 22/01/2025 12:54

wobblyweewoman · 22/01/2025 03:44

I thought it was embarrassing for her. Transgender people fear for their lives? Irresponsible hyperbole.

Yes I agree. The whole concept of "trans children" is harmful too imo. Trans ideology has done so much harm to vulnerable children.

Obviously she can say what she wants but equally people are free to disagree. I agree we should not be abusive tho

illinivich · 22/01/2025 12:51

She wasnt courageous. Shes talking without having any consequences of what she is saying.

If someone regrets the treatment they recieved in the name of transgenderism, they arent going to sue her are they?

No one is going to hold her to account if illegal immigration becomes a huge problem for the population.

She was in absolutely no danger saying what she did, she said nothing brave - just repeated an alternative political opinion that was the establishment a few weeks ago.

Thatmakesperfectsense · 22/01/2025 12:51

The Obama marriage some are saying has problems? It's a possibility.

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