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Horrifying Republican response to Bishop's sermon

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JessaWoo · 22/01/2025 03:20

These are tweets from Matt Walsh on X about Bishop Marian Budde and her sermon earlier today in Washington, attacking her womanhood and ability in a sexist and ageist tirade. It seems the clarion call has gone out to the rest of the Trump X minions, as they are all tweeting the same sentiments - including Kellie-Jay Keen and Donald Trump Jnr. Rep. Mike Collins całłed for her deportation, although she is American. Do you still support Trump after this?

“A liberal woman over the age of 50 with a lesbian haircut is guaranteed to support the most evil ideas and policies that mankind has ever conceived.”

“Just take one look at this witch and you know everything you need to know about her, even before she starts talking.”

“Of course this grotesque display is coming from a female “priest.” You will only ever hear heresy and inanity from someone whose whole existence is blasphemous.”

And another tweet from Bo Loudon: “🚨BREAKING: A bishop at the National Cathedrol just urged President Trump to protect transgender children and not deport illegal aliens because "they're not criminals."

Pure class from President Trump as he sat through this despicable politicization of the prayer service.”

Speech text:
““In the Name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now,” Budde stated. “There are gay, lesbian, and transgender children in Democratic, Republican and independent families. Some who fear for their lives.

”The people who pick our crops and clean our office buildings, who labor in poultry farms and meat-packing plants, who wash the dishes after we eat in restaurants and work the night shifts in hospitals. They may not be citizens, or have the proper documentation, but the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals.”

Budde asked Trump “to have mercy” on people “in our communities whose children fear that their parents will be taken away and that you help those who are fleeing warzones and persecution in their own lands to find compassion and welcome here.

“Our God teaches us that we are to be merciful to the stranger, for we were all once strangers in this land,” she continued. “May God grant us the strength and courage to honor the dignity of every human being, to speak the truth to one another in love, and walk humbly with each other and our God.”

Earlier in her message, Budde stressed the importance of unity, of respectfully disagreeing with one another, but also expressed concern over what she called “the culture of contempt” and feared “the loss of equality” for some who lose in political debates.

What a horrible, divisive message this is! 🙄 Personally, I think Budde's message is courageous and beautiful, and clearly deeply Christian at its core.

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biscuitandcake · 23/01/2025 15:06

legalimmigrant · 23/01/2025 14:24

It's funny also how the 'only.3% of the population' doesn't seem to apply when it's people feeling scared of Trump. THEN we all have to JUMP to action for a tiny minority. But it doesn't matter when it's women feeling scared of males flashing in their toilets. Well fuck that shit.

There was a time I had sympathy for transsexuals. I still do for those who recognise biological reality and have sympathy for me as a woman and children too- people like Miranda Yardley. However for those who've showed through their actions they give not a tiny fuck about me or my children's safeguarding. I give zero fucks in return.

Tough shit, they created the situation where a vast majority of Americans preferred Trump. They can suck it up now, they're only -.3% so it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, does it?.

To get back to the point of this thread though. What you say might well be a perfectly logical/reasonable argument. It is not very Christian however. The Bishop, presumably, is a Christian and therefore took a mainstream Christian angle in the church service she was delivering. If she had said she wanted JKR to die, or started wishing bad things on Trump (as many TRA types do) I agree that would be inappropriate. But she didn't.

Incidentally, a tiny proportion of the population's rights shouldn't be allowed to usurp/harm another part of the population. I agree there. But, no matter how tiny the population/person/creature, they and their fears do still matter in the grandest scheme of all grand schemes of things. If you don't believe that its fine. But its not very fair to castigate a bishop delivering a sermon for believing it.

Pootlemcsmootle · 23/01/2025 15:03

How bizarre that a bishop delivers a sermon about mercy and people jump on it and say she shouldn't have been political. It's like the most Christian worship 101 speech of all time. Love thy neighbour and all that.

If you think a bishop asking people to show mercy is too political then Jesus wept, we're in real trouble with our politics aren't we.

legalimmigrant · 23/01/2025 14:58

The comparison of men not being allowed in women's toilets but only having mixed sex or men's toilets to choose from to what the Jews suffered in the Holocaust is incredibly anti-semitic.

And it makes anyone doing it look deranged too.

lcakethereforeIam · 23/01/2025 14:55

I've just watched a tiktok from a woman non-binary, bewailing the EO. She They too evoked the holocaust. Then had then utter lack of self awareness to say that in four years she'd they'd still be there. Not the words of someone who's seriously envisioning the hell that the Jewish people had inflicted on them. It would be funny if only the comparison wasn't so vile.

Beowulfa · 23/01/2025 14:55

Republicans have used people's fear of transgender people as a political tool. They've poured vast energy (and money) into putting out messages framing the simple existence of transgender people as an enormous problem.

They didn't need to spend energy and money; the Democrats helpfully provided them with a vote-winning strategy for free.

As VP, Kamala Harris gave cosplayer Dylan Mulvaney a special White House certificate for taking the piss out of women.

Biden legislated for men to cheat women out of College sports scholarships. The kind of scholarships that working class families really value.

All the Trump campaign had to do was remind voters of this.

legalimmigrant · 23/01/2025 14:54

Also I don't care if that's what you think. I just don't care and you can't convince me and I know most of the American public feel the same. It's not going to work any more.

There were plenty of Americans who felt they couldn't vote Trump but didn't vote Harris on this issue.

legalimmigrant · 23/01/2025 14:53

So .3% doesn't matter if it means the wholesale destruction of the rights of 50% of the population, but otherwise we have to bend over backwards for that .3%.

Got it, it's misogyny.

izimbra · 23/01/2025 14:50

This is how insane terfs have got,

Blaming less than 1% of the population for the rise of fascism. By being transgender.

izimbra · 23/01/2025 14:49

Should read:

"BTW - 'the vast majority of Americans' did not prefer Trump.

The majority of those eligible to vote - more than 50% - either voted for Harris or didn't vote.

izimbra · 23/01/2025 14:48

BTW - 'the vast majority of voters' did not prefer Trump.

The majority of voters - more than 50% - either voted for Harris or didn't vote.

izimbra · 23/01/2025 14:47

"Tough shit, they created the situation where a vast majority of Americans preferred Trump."

Transgender people are responsible for fascism - for being transgender?

izimbra · 23/01/2025 14:45

"It's funny also how the 'only.3% of the population' doesn't seem to apply when it's people feeling scared of Trump"

You mean if it's just a very small minority we can stop worrying about them being victimised and oppressed?

Jewish people made up less than 1% of Germany's population in 1933. Does this mean the fear they must have felt at growing public antipathy towards them and changes in the law that impacted on their freedoms weren't important?

legalimmigrant · 23/01/2025 14:24

It's funny also how the 'only.3% of the population' doesn't seem to apply when it's people feeling scared of Trump. THEN we all have to JUMP to action for a tiny minority. But it doesn't matter when it's women feeling scared of males flashing in their toilets. Well fuck that shit.

There was a time I had sympathy for transsexuals. I still do for those who recognise biological reality and have sympathy for me as a woman and children too- people like Miranda Yardley. However for those who've showed through their actions they give not a tiny fuck about me or my children's safeguarding. I give zero fucks in return.

Tough shit, they created the situation where a vast majority of Americans preferred Trump. They can suck it up now, they're only -.3% so it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, does it?.

legalimmigrant · 23/01/2025 14:07

And why? Because someone's philosophical belief has been given higher priority to someone else's philosophical belief.

It's not even that - it's someone's philosophical belief being given higher priority than material reality, child safeguarding and others' philosophical belief (in material reality).

And it's giving priority to philosophical beliefs of mostly men, over the need to recognise reality for safeguarding purposes of mostly women (honourable mention to some men who get it).

lcakethereforeIam · 23/01/2025 14:05

I joined MN after she was expelled, but I come across her posts in old threads from time to time. Someone with that username posted a very sensible comment under an article in Unherd that I saw.

The new president of Argentina...Milei(?) has been calling out gender ideology at Davos. That's probably MN's fault too.

RhannionKPSS · 23/01/2025 13:13

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 23/01/2025 12:41

One name: Langcleg.

I still miss her.

I remember too and same here , I miss her as her voice was important , honest and fair

RhannionKPSS · 23/01/2025 13:10

RayonSunrise · 22/01/2025 21:05

I'd not previously realised JUST how anti-Christian this board is. Is it due to Atheism, or just thinking Jesus was a wuss with his "kindness and mercy" thing?

That isn’t true, who are you to decide what a Christian is? There is nothing wrong with being a Christian, there is also nothing unchristian about disagreeing with the comments of that particular person. Kindness and mercy are wonderful things, and treat people as you would like to be treated is a two way street.

AlisonDonut · 23/01/2025 13:07

illinivich · 23/01/2025 12:11

Does anyone remember when men who wanted us to call them women instigated a whole lots of news rules on mn? We werent allowed to talk about how men with fetishes could hide within trans identities; we couldnt call them people who 'identified as' trans, we had to put a space between trans and woman because not doing so would indicate that we didnt see them as women?

Do people remember when threads were deleted and posters banned for discussing men with gender who committed sexual crimes because their gender identity wasnt relevant?

Dont talk to me about only being .whatever percent of the population and them not having any power.

The worst thing about the abuses of trans ideology isnt talking about it and how sad that makes men feel.

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Instigated by a man who pretended to be disabled taking great offence at a very mild joke. And who then insisted that they were allowed to report posts on here, and MNHQ said they were free to report posts via Twitter even if they were not registered users.

Yeah, remember it well.

EasternStandard · 23/01/2025 13:05

illinivich · 23/01/2025 11:36

Those .3% of the population managed to get women banned from mn for talking about safeguarding.

That's the issue, women haven't consented to changes made

People will have to find another way without that

AlisonDonut · 23/01/2025 13:00

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 23/01/2025 12:39

Unlike the rioters who were jailed for throwing bricks at coppers and damaging mosques, MN users aren't actually doing anything other than talk on a forum.

It's dishonest to compare the two.

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Are you saying that nobody got put into jail for posting on social media?

lcakethereforeIam · 23/01/2025 12:50

The 0.3%!

I read the article someone posted up thread about the effect of men being housed in women's prisons. I'd recommend scrolling back up and reading it too, if you haven't already. Or possibly don't, it's quite upsetting

Anyway, this is an excerpt

Between 2018 and 2020, the Trump administration pushed back on this, asserting that biological sex should be the “initial determination” for placement, allowing for gender identity–based placement “in rare cases.” But the Biden-era Department of Justice revoked this change. At the last count on October 6, 2024, there are 1,487 incarcerated men who identify as women in federal prisons. According to the Bureau of Prisons’ own data, nearly half of transgender prisoners in women’s facilities are sex offenders—almost four times the rate of the general prison population.

It seems Trump was previously amenable to tw being housed in the female estate. Since then his stance has obviously changed. He's following public opinion, not leading it. The egregious behaviour of tras has caused this. They were warned. If they want to look for someone to blame, they should look really, really, really close to home.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 23/01/2025 12:41

illinivich · 23/01/2025 12:11

Does anyone remember when men who wanted us to call them women instigated a whole lots of news rules on mn? We werent allowed to talk about how men with fetishes could hide within trans identities; we couldnt call them people who 'identified as' trans, we had to put a space between trans and woman because not doing so would indicate that we didnt see them as women?

Do people remember when threads were deleted and posters banned for discussing men with gender who committed sexual crimes because their gender identity wasnt relevant?

Dont talk to me about only being .whatever percent of the population and them not having any power.

The worst thing about the abuses of trans ideology isnt talking about it and how sad that makes men feel.

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One name: Langcleg.

I still miss her.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 23/01/2025 12:39

izimbra · 23/01/2025 11:45

Did they?

Like the people who got prison sentences following the recent race riots were 'banged up for nothing more than criticising illegals on social media'. 🤔

Unlike the rioters who were jailed for throwing bricks at coppers and damaging mosques, MN users aren't actually doing anything other than talk on a forum.

It's dishonest to compare the two.

Helleofabore · 23/01/2025 12:22

illinivich · 23/01/2025 12:11

Does anyone remember when men who wanted us to call them women instigated a whole lots of news rules on mn? We werent allowed to talk about how men with fetishes could hide within trans identities; we couldnt call them people who 'identified as' trans, we had to put a space between trans and woman because not doing so would indicate that we didnt see them as women?

Do people remember when threads were deleted and posters banned for discussing men with gender who committed sexual crimes because their gender identity wasnt relevant?

Dont talk to me about only being .whatever percent of the population and them not having any power.

The worst thing about the abuses of trans ideology isnt talking about it and how sad that makes men feel.

Edited

I do! I still pretzel my posts to fit into those guidelines because every so often some goes on a reporting streak and threads end up looking like Swiss cheese because someone has used a correct sex pronoun, or has mentioned a fetish, or has said that person is a 'man' or whatever.

And why? Because someone's philosophical belief has been given higher priority to someone else's philosophical belief.

illinivich · 23/01/2025 12:11

Does anyone remember when men who wanted us to call them women instigated a whole lots of news rules on mn? We werent allowed to talk about how men with fetishes could hide within trans identities; we couldnt call them people who 'identified as' trans, we had to put a space between trans and woman because not doing so would indicate that we didnt see them as women?

Do people remember when threads were deleted and posters banned for discussing men with gender who committed sexual crimes because their gender identity wasnt relevant?

Dont talk to me about only being .whatever percent of the population and them not having any power.

The worst thing about the abuses of trans ideology isnt talking about it and how sad that makes men feel.