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Horrifying Republican response to Bishop's sermon

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JessaWoo · 22/01/2025 03:20

These are tweets from Matt Walsh on X about Bishop Marian Budde and her sermon earlier today in Washington, attacking her womanhood and ability in a sexist and ageist tirade. It seems the clarion call has gone out to the rest of the Trump X minions, as they are all tweeting the same sentiments - including Kellie-Jay Keen and Donald Trump Jnr. Rep. Mike Collins całłed for her deportation, although she is American. Do you still support Trump after this?

“A liberal woman over the age of 50 with a lesbian haircut is guaranteed to support the most evil ideas and policies that mankind has ever conceived.”

“Just take one look at this witch and you know everything you need to know about her, even before she starts talking.”

“Of course this grotesque display is coming from a female “priest.” You will only ever hear heresy and inanity from someone whose whole existence is blasphemous.”

And another tweet from Bo Loudon: “🚨BREAKING: A bishop at the National Cathedrol just urged President Trump to protect transgender children and not deport illegal aliens because "they're not criminals."

Pure class from President Trump as he sat through this despicable politicization of the prayer service.”

Speech text:
““In the Name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now,” Budde stated. “There are gay, lesbian, and transgender children in Democratic, Republican and independent families. Some who fear for their lives.

”The people who pick our crops and clean our office buildings, who labor in poultry farms and meat-packing plants, who wash the dishes after we eat in restaurants and work the night shifts in hospitals. They may not be citizens, or have the proper documentation, but the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals.”

Budde asked Trump “to have mercy” on people “in our communities whose children fear that their parents will be taken away and that you help those who are fleeing warzones and persecution in their own lands to find compassion and welcome here.

“Our God teaches us that we are to be merciful to the stranger, for we were all once strangers in this land,” she continued. “May God grant us the strength and courage to honor the dignity of every human being, to speak the truth to one another in love, and walk humbly with each other and our God.”

Earlier in her message, Budde stressed the importance of unity, of respectfully disagreeing with one another, but also expressed concern over what she called “the culture of contempt” and feared “the loss of equality” for some who lose in political debates.

What a horrible, divisive message this is! 🙄 Personally, I think Budde's message is courageous and beautiful, and clearly deeply Christian at its core.

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GrammarTeacher · 23/01/2025 18:00

Helleofabore · 23/01/2025 17:42

How is he planning on making people stateless? Who is he removing birthright citizenship from?

From a whole range of people who were born in the states. I believe some (often racist) people call them anchor babies.
I have no interest in debating my opinions on trans issues on here. I will not change my mind. Others won’t change theirs. We both can use evidence from a range of sources. It won’t help the current situation.
The OP was about the sermon. It was a Christian sermon. It was fine. Women’s rights are hugely under threat right now. I would prefer if we could stop fighting each other. While this has been going on they over turned Roe V Wade!

AlisonDonut · 23/01/2025 17:42

GrammarTeacher · 23/01/2025 17:27

Please stop suggesting you speak for all women. You don’t. It has been shown again and again that women have a range of opinion on trans issues.
I certainly don’t agree with many people on this thread (but for example, I do think that sporting issues should be dealt with on a case by case basis no hard and fast yes or no).

A case by case basis?

Which men would you keep out of women's sports and which men would you allow?

Helleofabore · 23/01/2025 17:42

GrammarTeacher · 23/01/2025 17:27

Well, he does intend to make people stateless.

How is he planning on making people stateless? Who is he removing birthright citizenship from?

Helleofabore · 23/01/2025 17:40

GrammarTeacher · 23/01/2025 17:27

Please stop suggesting you speak for all women. You don’t. It has been shown again and again that women have a range of opinion on trans issues.
I certainly don’t agree with many people on this thread (but for example, I do think that sporting issues should be dealt with on a case by case basis no hard and fast yes or no).

Could you explain how sports could be dealt with on a case by case basis, please? Because there are numerous sports scientists, developmental biologists and sports experts who have attempted to model this and found that it simply doesn’t work.

Have you got an idea? Or read an expert who has explained this in detail with the modelling clear and robust? Or is this wishful thinking on your part? That you ‘wish’ that sports can be dealt with on a case by case basis?

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 23/01/2025 17:39

GrammarTeacher · 23/01/2025 17:27

Please stop suggesting you speak for all women. You don’t. It has been shown again and again that women have a range of opinion on trans issues.
I certainly don’t agree with many people on this thread (but for example, I do think that sporting issues should be dealt with on a case by case basis no hard and fast yes or no).

Well, believe it or not, I would be genuinely interested in your views on trans issues. Do you think 'women' as a sex class should include any men who identify as women?

Helleofabore · 23/01/2025 17:36

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 23/01/2025 17:25

Are you claiming that the belief in two sexes, which Forstater v CGD found to be "worthy of respect in a democratic society", is comparable to racism, which isn't WORIADS?

Are you claiming that the belief that no one with a penis should be incarcerated in a women's prison is comparable to thinking that Black people should go to the back of the bus?

Because it looks like you are.

It certainly can be interpreted that way.

That women who ask to be considered are the equivalent of racists. And considering the past posts on this thread, that would be an accurate interpretation.

GrammarTeacher · 23/01/2025 17:27

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 23/01/2025 17:16

Are you claiming that putting men in men's prisons and keeping men out of women's rape shelters are exactly the same as making people stateless and gassing them by the million?

Well, he does intend to make people stateless.

GrammarTeacher · 23/01/2025 17:27

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 23/01/2025 16:30

Women equivalent to racists? Are you sure you're a feminist🤔

Please stop suggesting you speak for all women. You don’t. It has been shown again and again that women have a range of opinion on trans issues.
I certainly don’t agree with many people on this thread (but for example, I do think that sporting issues should be dealt with on a case by case basis no hard and fast yes or no).

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 23/01/2025 17:25

izimbra · 23/01/2025 16:15

"Did she ever ask the TQ+ community to show some empathy to women?"

She could have asked black people to show some empathy for racists, who are terrified of becoming the victims of black crime - many to the extent that they've chosen to move away from areas in which they live, to areas with fewer black people in.

WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE RACISTS 😭😭😭

Are you claiming that the belief in two sexes, which Forstater v CGD found to be "worthy of respect in a democratic society", is comparable to racism, which isn't WORIADS?

Are you claiming that the belief that no one with a penis should be incarcerated in a women's prison is comparable to thinking that Black people should go to the back of the bus?

Because it looks like you are.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 23/01/2025 17:18

AlisonDonut · 23/01/2025 17:13

But, they did go to jail for posting words online?

Yes, OK, they did. But they weren't posting words that are protected post-Forstater.

RhannionKPSS · 23/01/2025 17:18

Harris & the Dems left the goal posts wide open with dangerous nonsense about operations for “ trans “ prisoners, gushing over Dylan with her letter about his “ girlhood”.
i hope the person who thought up the advert “ Harris is for they/them , Trump
is for you “ deserves a huge bonus because it summed it all up.

lcakethereforeIam · 23/01/2025 17:17

izimbra · 23/01/2025 16:15

"Did she ever ask the TQ+ community to show some empathy to women?"

She could have asked black people to show some empathy for racists, who are terrified of becoming the victims of black crime - many to the extent that they've chosen to move away from areas in which they live, to areas with fewer black people in.

WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE RACISTS 😭😭😭

Right, so according to you women are racist, but twaw so tw must be racists!

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selffellatingouroborosofhate · 23/01/2025 17:16

izimbra · 23/01/2025 14:45

"It's funny also how the 'only.3% of the population' doesn't seem to apply when it's people feeling scared of Trump"

You mean if it's just a very small minority we can stop worrying about them being victimised and oppressed?

Jewish people made up less than 1% of Germany's population in 1933. Does this mean the fear they must have felt at growing public antipathy towards them and changes in the law that impacted on their freedoms weren't important?

Are you claiming that putting men in men's prisons and keeping men out of women's rape shelters are exactly the same as making people stateless and gassing them by the million?

AlisonDonut · 23/01/2025 17:13

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 23/01/2025 16:51

They might have gone to jail for Mal Comms. When has anyone from MN gone to jail for posting here?

But, they did go to jail for posting words online?

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 23/01/2025 17:05

izimbra · 23/01/2025 14:49

Should read:

"BTW - 'the vast majority of Americans' did not prefer Trump.

The majority of those eligible to vote - more than 50% - either voted for Harris or didn't vote.

That argument didn't overturn the Brexit result.

If you want to win a vote, you have to persuade people to vote for you and then get them out to vote.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 23/01/2025 17:02

izimbra · 23/01/2025 14:47

"Tough shit, they created the situation where a vast majority of Americans preferred Trump."

Transgender people are responsible for fascism - for being transgender?

  1. The EO isn't fascist.
  2. Trump voters also mostly aren't fascist. Several red states voted to protect abortion at state level on the same ballot paper that they elected Trump on. NY went red for Trump and blue for AOC, which is not the vote of a fascist.
  3. Trans people didn't cause this EO by being trans. They caused it by claiming privileges to use single-sex spaces, privileges that no one else, denying women our rights in the process.
AliceNutterWasAWoman · 23/01/2025 17:01

Mischance · 23/01/2025 16:04

She asked that compassion be shown to everyone - it is a central tenet of her faith and she would have been failing in her duty as a cleric if she had not said what she did.

She specified gay, lesbian and transgender children, undocumented migrants and asylum seekers.

illinivich · 23/01/2025 17:00

izimbra · 23/01/2025 11:45

Did they?

Like the people who got prison sentences following the recent race riots were 'banged up for nothing more than criticising illegals on social media'. 🤔

Why are you being sarcastic about women being stopped from talking about safeguarding?

So you think i am lying, or do you think safeguarding is not that important?

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 23/01/2025 16:51

AlisonDonut · 23/01/2025 13:00

Are you saying that nobody got put into jail for posting on social media?

They might have gone to jail for Mal Comms. When has anyone from MN gone to jail for posting here?

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 23/01/2025 16:30

izimbra · 23/01/2025 16:15

"Did she ever ask the TQ+ community to show some empathy to women?"

She could have asked black people to show some empathy for racists, who are terrified of becoming the victims of black crime - many to the extent that they've chosen to move away from areas in which they live, to areas with fewer black people in.

WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE RACISTS 😭😭😭

Women equivalent to racists? Are you sure you're a feminist🤔

TheCourseOfTheRiverChanged · 23/01/2025 16:20

AlisonDonut · 22/01/2025 08:28

Trump I imagine. Just for the reaction.

I have a sneaking suspicion you're right.
I'm (reluctantly) impressed with how a man who inherited such wealth is able to position himself as downtrodden, under the heel of the elites.
People on this thread have described Bishop Budde as "speaking truth to power" and it makes sense to see it that way from one perspective.
But if you don't share Bishop Budde's wealth, status, education and cultural capital the optics of this are very different. People whose families and communities have been disparaged and disrespected by the authorities of the mainstream Church for generations will see Trump being chastised and unable to speak up to defend himself in that service.

izimbra · 23/01/2025 16:15

"Did she ever ask the TQ+ community to show some empathy to women?"

She could have asked black people to show some empathy for racists, who are terrified of becoming the victims of black crime - many to the extent that they've chosen to move away from areas in which they live, to areas with fewer black people in.

WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE RACISTS 😭😭😭

Mischance · 23/01/2025 16:04

She asked that compassion be shown to everyone - it is a central tenet of her faith and she would have been failing in her duty as a cleric if she had not said what she did.

lcakethereforeIam · 23/01/2025 15:37

Did she ever ask the TQ+ community to show some empathy to women? And not in a 'father forgive them they know not what they do'? Did she ask them to show compassion? I bet it never even occurred to her. Although I'd love to be proven wrong. If the response to this sermon is a bit much, what if she'd asked for compassion for terfs? She wouldn't even dare.

I've seen her photo. Perfectly normal haircut.

Helleofabore · 23/01/2025 15:35

Beowulfa · 23/01/2025 14:55

Republicans have used people's fear of transgender people as a political tool. They've poured vast energy (and money) into putting out messages framing the simple existence of transgender people as an enormous problem.

They didn't need to spend energy and money; the Democrats helpfully provided them with a vote-winning strategy for free.

As VP, Kamala Harris gave cosplayer Dylan Mulvaney a special White House certificate for taking the piss out of women.

Biden legislated for men to cheat women out of College sports scholarships. The kind of scholarships that working class families really value.

All the Trump campaign had to do was remind voters of this.

This is the thing. There is all these strands coming together.

The % of people now directly impacted has grown in one way or another in the past four years since Biden got in.

We have had more male people taking the places of female athletes and winning their accolades.

People in the USA have seen the male people who have been celebrated by the President and Vice President for being ‘female’. Male people being celebrated for becoming ‘first female to achieve [insert achievement]’ by the President.

We have had the Cass report and the court cases around the world.

And then the Democratic Party continued this trajectory they started and refused to listen to feminists. Female athletes were harassed for speaking up and there was no censure from the Democratic Party leadership. Detransitioners spoke and were effectively ignored.

Female people are imprisoned with male prisoners and are being harmed, but no one from the Democratic Party was doing anything about it.

But none of this is acknowledged at all. Instead we have the same grind of guilt by association, false accusations of ‘alignment’ and on and on and on. Not one shred of acknowledgement on the failings of the Democratic Party to act or to even listen.