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Horrifying Republican response to Bishop's sermon

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JessaWoo · 22/01/2025 03:20

These are tweets from Matt Walsh on X about Bishop Marian Budde and her sermon earlier today in Washington, attacking her womanhood and ability in a sexist and ageist tirade. It seems the clarion call has gone out to the rest of the Trump X minions, as they are all tweeting the same sentiments - including Kellie-Jay Keen and Donald Trump Jnr. Rep. Mike Collins całłed for her deportation, although she is American. Do you still support Trump after this?

“A liberal woman over the age of 50 with a lesbian haircut is guaranteed to support the most evil ideas and policies that mankind has ever conceived.”

“Just take one look at this witch and you know everything you need to know about her, even before she starts talking.”

“Of course this grotesque display is coming from a female “priest.” You will only ever hear heresy and inanity from someone whose whole existence is blasphemous.”

And another tweet from Bo Loudon: “🚨BREAKING: A bishop at the National Cathedrol just urged President Trump to protect transgender children and not deport illegal aliens because "they're not criminals."

Pure class from President Trump as he sat through this despicable politicization of the prayer service.”

Speech text:
““In the Name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now,” Budde stated. “There are gay, lesbian, and transgender children in Democratic, Republican and independent families. Some who fear for their lives.

”The people who pick our crops and clean our office buildings, who labor in poultry farms and meat-packing plants, who wash the dishes after we eat in restaurants and work the night shifts in hospitals. They may not be citizens, or have the proper documentation, but the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals.”

Budde asked Trump “to have mercy” on people “in our communities whose children fear that their parents will be taken away and that you help those who are fleeing warzones and persecution in their own lands to find compassion and welcome here.

“Our God teaches us that we are to be merciful to the stranger, for we were all once strangers in this land,” she continued. “May God grant us the strength and courage to honor the dignity of every human being, to speak the truth to one another in love, and walk humbly with each other and our God.”

Earlier in her message, Budde stressed the importance of unity, of respectfully disagreeing with one another, but also expressed concern over what she called “the culture of contempt” and feared “the loss of equality” for some who lose in political debates.

What a horrible, divisive message this is! 🙄 Personally, I think Budde's message is courageous and beautiful, and clearly deeply Christian at its core.

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TooBigForMyBoots · 24/01/2025 03:09

I'm in favour of sex segregation. I like having women only spaces. Women need women only spaces.

Hoardasurass · 24/01/2025 03:02

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/01/2025 02:30

The problem as I see it is that people assume that DEI is some kind of neutral function that just does nice things like make sure people are treated right in the workplace.

I agree, DEI is so much more than that. It's about healthcare for the disabled. Maternity care for black mothers. Women in the workplace not having to deal with sex discrimination and harassment. Making companies, institutions and society work well for all. Not just powerful men.

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Nope dei impeds equality, cause both sex and racial discrimination and fosters segregation

DreamTheMoors · 24/01/2025 02:58

This doesn’t surprise me in the least coming from Donald and the Republicans.
You should’ve seen him sitting there - he looked like somebody hit him in the head with a hammer.
I left the Republican Party years ago and I’ve awakened with a knot in my stomach every morning since November.
Now he’s released all the violent insurrectionists.
God help us from what they do next.

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/01/2025 02:48

Right. The reason black mothers face poorer maternity care and outcomes is because of racism against white people? The reason for the pay gap between sexes is because women just aren't as good as men?

Who do you think is being discriminated against @TempestTost?

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 24/01/2025 02:47

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/01/2025 02:30

The problem as I see it is that people assume that DEI is some kind of neutral function that just does nice things like make sure people are treated right in the workplace.

I agree, DEI is so much more than that. It's about healthcare for the disabled. Maternity care for black mothers. Women in the workplace not having to deal with sex discrimination and harassment. Making companies, institutions and society work well for all. Not just powerful men.

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If anyone in the US govt actually gave a shit about women, they'd legislate for paid maternity leave. But that costs money, so instead they'll wokescold white men about something their great-great-grandparents did and replace the "women" and "men" signs on toilets with ones that say "gender neutral" without a care for women enduring miscarriage at work who would rather not pass their embryo with Stan from Payroll taking a dump in the next cubicle.

TempestTost · 24/01/2025 02:34

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/01/2025 02:30

The problem as I see it is that people assume that DEI is some kind of neutral function that just does nice things like make sure people are treated right in the workplace.

I agree, DEI is so much more than that. It's about healthcare for the disabled. Maternity care for black mothers. Women in the workplace not having to deal with sex discrimination and harassment. Making companies, institutions and society work well for all. Not just powerful men.

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It's about denying people access to jobs and positions because of their skin colour, ethnicity, sex, or sexuality.

It's about present racism to make up for past racism.

It's about thinking that members of certain groups are unable to perform at the same level as others so need to be given a leg up.

TempestTost · 24/01/2025 02:31

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 24/01/2025 01:10

What document is this?

What you have written suggests that President Pussygrabber has repealed the Americans With Disabilities Act. That was passed by Congress, so I don't think he can do that.

I think maybe she was saying that because the people who deal with these issues practically won't be there, efforts toward access are likely to be poorly managed.

There is possibly some truth to that, though that kind of thing should be found within HR management.

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/01/2025 02:30

The problem as I see it is that people assume that DEI is some kind of neutral function that just does nice things like make sure people are treated right in the workplace.

I agree, DEI is so much more than that. It's about healthcare for the disabled. Maternity care for black mothers. Women in the workplace not having to deal with sex discrimination and harassment. Making companies, institutions and society work well for all. Not just powerful men.

TempestTost · 24/01/2025 02:28

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/01/2025 01:00

It wasn't a lecture. It wasn't even a lengthy sermon. It was 3 minutes max. It was a plea to the President to be merciful to those feeling afraid. The sort of thing I'd expect from a Christian.

I'm disgusted at the hatred and vitriol heaped on Bishop Mariann Budde. But it's the sort of thing I expect from President Trump and his acolytes.

Te real question is why didn't Biden get a sermon about being kind to young women in sports, or children being given terrible therapy and having their bodies irreparably damaged, or women who can't access rape support with confidence that no men will be there.

That's what rankles. She may have "just asked for kindness and mercy" but actually, we all hive a strong suspect she is saying that because she supports those things. And that makes it seem less like a Christian statement, and more like a political statement.

TempestTost · 24/01/2025 02:21

JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 00:27

I actually think this is one most don't really understand. It's not just 'DEI', it's 'DEIA' - Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Accessibility. This covers not just race, but equity of the sexes and disability, among others. Its scrapping is bad news for women and those with disabilities.

I have a disability that impedes my walking. I once had a position in a two-storied building that only had stairs. I had no way of accessing the upper level at all. My organisation furnished me with an office on the lower level and made sure meetings came to me rather than the other way around, but I still had difficulties there. In the current US climate, I doubt they would be compelled to do even that - they would just pass on to the next candidate.

The problem as I see it is that people assume that DEI is some kind of neutral function that just does nice things like make sure people are treated right in the workplace.

That's not the case, it's a particular lens that assumes hierarchies of value and oppression, and that it's ok to materially disadvantage individuals - for example by not considering them for a job - in order to level the playing field for others.

Some of the work to make sure workplaces remain fair to all should continue, but rather like the medical sector, they have really fucked themselves over by being so immoderately ideological that it's difficult to see how they could operate more appropriately. I hope they come up with a way to move the necessary functions elsewhere, maybe into HR, or maybe distributed through lower organizations.

The other element is that like management in general, those kinds of jobs seem to have ballooned in numbers, almost to the point of seeming like make-work projects for social science grads. The costs are enourmous - I don't know the figures in the American civil service, but in the NHS they say it's something around 40 million pounds.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 24/01/2025 01:10

JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 00:27

I actually think this is one most don't really understand. It's not just 'DEI', it's 'DEIA' - Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Accessibility. This covers not just race, but equity of the sexes and disability, among others. Its scrapping is bad news for women and those with disabilities.

I have a disability that impedes my walking. I once had a position in a two-storied building that only had stairs. I had no way of accessing the upper level at all. My organisation furnished me with an office on the lower level and made sure meetings came to me rather than the other way around, but I still had difficulties there. In the current US climate, I doubt they would be compelled to do even that - they would just pass on to the next candidate.

What document is this?

What you have written suggests that President Pussygrabber has repealed the Americans With Disabilities Act. That was passed by Congress, so I don't think he can do that.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 24/01/2025 01:04

izimbra · 24/01/2025 00:24

"So you don’t think 0.3% poses a problem. I pointed out how that 0.3% impacts millions of women directly. You can read it again on page 11 if you like. You have ignored it thus far."

No, I don't believe 0.3% of the population being transgender poses a problem to millions of women.

Any man being able to say that he's a woman and be treated like he's female from then on has already been a problem for women across America. It's been a problem for female prisoners, female athletes, female Wii Spa patrons, school girls in changing rooms, female rape and DV victims. This is all documented.

It's not about 0.3% of the population "being transgender". It's about males being given privileges to access female spaces and services. That 0.3% of people "being transgender" wouldn't be a problem if they used their own sex's services and spaces.

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/01/2025 01:02

What would be the right time and place for the Bishop to speak truth to power @HoneyButterPopcorn?

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/01/2025 01:00

HoneyButterPopcorn · 23/01/2025 08:31

This was not the time nor the place for her lecture.

She should have spoken about peace, and having god in their hearts to guide the decision makers to make good choices etc etc etc. Not give the new president a telling off and push an agenda which is crumbling because it has been pushed so far it's causing serious problems.

America is becoming very polarised - Nazis Va Goodies. It's just bananas and continuing to push this won't get anything done. People will become more entrenched in their ideas and less likely to work together.

It wasn't a lecture. It wasn't even a lengthy sermon. It was 3 minutes max. It was a plea to the President to be merciful to those feeling afraid. The sort of thing I'd expect from a Christian.

I'm disgusted at the hatred and vitriol heaped on Bishop Mariann Budde. But it's the sort of thing I expect from President Trump and his acolytes.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 24/01/2025 00:58

izimbra · 24/01/2025 00:12

"Anyone who is frightened should be shown compassion".

That's what she was asking for. Thank you for acknowledging that this is morally acceptable.

"but compassion doesn't always mean giving people what they want"

All she asked for was compassion and mercy. That's all.

"and it doesn't mean ignoring other groups of people that are also frightened"

There are vast numbers of people who are scared of black men, because black men are over represented in the crime statistics, for a whole host of complex reasons. Do you think this justifies white people phoning the police when they see a black man walking past their house in a white neighbourhood? By your reasoning the fact that they feel frightened, and can justify it by pointing to black men being over represented in the crime statistics means that not only is this a reasonable response, but that there is an argument for racial segregation of communities. To promote feelings of safety among the white community who are frightened of black crime.

"Now how about you humour me and give me a reasoned argument explaining how redefining the sex-class of women to allow in any male who identifies as a woman is a feminist win. Or maybe you don't believe this?"

I'm not arguing for a 'feminist win'. I think the whole issue is a a storm in a teacup, and that if social media didn't exist you'd likely not even know transgender people even exist. I think you've taken it on like some new religion - you feel you're part of a special movement, part of a club, fighting for women's rights, when in fact in the grand scheme of things, if you'd devoted a tenth of the anger and energy you've devoted to decrying transgenderism into lobbying government to address inadequate public transport outside large cities, or shit maternity care, or addressing women's housing needs, you'd have had a vastly bigger impact on women's safety and quality of life.

Do you think this justifies white people phoning the police when they see a black man walking past their house in a white neighbourhood?

Not relevant. Trump's EO restored fairness in sports through its effect on Title IX and put male prisoners in the male estate where they should be. Comparing women's insistence on sex-based rights to racism is an extremely dishonest, bad faith, argument.

Hoardasurass · 24/01/2025 00:55

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 24/01/2025 00:46

No worries, ranting is understandable. I have read 'The Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht', so I know what you are going through up there. Strong recommend for 'Time to Think' by Newsnight journalist Hannah Barnes for anyone who is lurking and wants to know more about what went on at the Tavistock GIDS clinic

Would add irreversible damage by abigale shreiver(sp) to that list

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 24/01/2025 00:55

izimbra · 23/01/2025 23:42

Oh - is this like those situations where people who are against undocumented immigrants point to someone raped by an illegal immigrant as evidence that immigration is morally indefensible, and that anyone who speaks up for asylum seekers is a rape apologist?

Not comparable. Cut it out.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 24/01/2025 00:51

Danja2010 · 23/01/2025 23:27

Well for one he has signed a document getting rid of all the diversity laws that guarantee that you can not be discriminated against . That affects a huge population . He has done away with reductions for affordable medicine and healthcare . Every day something different and he will not stop until he has laws in place that will enrich himself , his family and his billionaire buddies . He is a dangerous man and that is not fearmongering it is the truth !

Well for one he has signed a document getting rid of all the diversity laws that guarantee that you can not be discriminated against .

What document is this?

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 24/01/2025 00:50

Hey @izimbra I'm going to bed. I'll pick it up in the morning if you answer my question.

Hoardasurass · 24/01/2025 00:48

izimbra · 24/01/2025 00:33

So just to be clear - the plea to show mercy and compassion to frightened transgender individuals that this thread OP was about - you're in support of that?

Because so am I.

I'm glad therapy has given you happiness and peace.

I know two parents who have supported their child's transition - their children are now transgender adults living decent lives. I'm going to guess you think these parents are probably misguided, or maybe stupid. Or maybe evil? And you believe you have a better understanding and knowledge of their child's experience than they do or than their child does. You feel your own experience in therapy gives you the authority in this area?

Ok.

Do you spend a lot of time in online anti-trans groups accusing people like me of supporting child abuse?

Who are you talking to me or @AliceNutterWasAWoman ?

JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 00:48

JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 00:43

@TheCourseOfTheRiverChanged

I have a sneaking suspicion you're right.
I'm (reluctantly) impressed with how a man who inherited such wealth is able to position himself as downtrodden, under the heel of the elites.
People on this thread have described Bishop Budde as "speaking truth to power" and it makes sense to see it that way from one perspective.
But if you don't share Bishop Budde's wealth, status, education and cultural capital the optics of this are very different. People whose families and communities have been disparaged and disrespected by the authorities of the mainstream Church for generations will see Trump being chastised and unable to speak up to defend himself in that service.

Sorry, that posted accidentally. I meant to add: I'm not sure what you actually mean here. Are you suggesting that Trump was unable to defend himself in that setting so the Bishop was wrong to direct her sermon towards him? And that she has wealth and power herself?

Trump isn't under the heel of the elites. He is the elite. That is part of his grift.

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AliceNutterWasAWoman · 24/01/2025 00:46

Hoardasurass · 24/01/2025 00:35

The horrible nasty truth @AliceNutterWasAWoman is that even without therapy about 75% of teens grow out of gender dysphoria with good quality therapy it's between 80 and 98% who grow out of it.
Yet if you give kids who suffer these delusions puberty blockers it locks in the gender dysphoria by permanently preventing the brain from maturing 98% go on to cross sex hormones.
When I look at the number of autistic children who are being pushed down this pathway (33% of gids patients vs 4% of the general population) I see this as a eugenics programme but in reality it's a systematic pushing of gender ideology onto all children and the vulnerable falling for it, they like women and girls are just collateral damage on the alter of gender ideology.
Sorry about the rant am stuck fighting this crap in Scotland 🤬

No worries, ranting is understandable. I have read 'The Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht', so I know what you are going through up there. Strong recommend for 'Time to Think' by Newsnight journalist Hannah Barnes for anyone who is lurking and wants to know more about what went on at the Tavistock GIDS clinic

JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 00:43

@TheCourseOfTheRiverChanged

I have a sneaking suspicion you're right.
I'm (reluctantly) impressed with how a man who inherited such wealth is able to position himself as downtrodden, under the heel of the elites.
People on this thread have described Bishop Budde as "speaking truth to power" and it makes sense to see it that way from one perspective.
But if you don't share Bishop Budde's wealth, status, education and cultural capital the optics of this are very different. People whose families and communities have been disparaged and disrespected by the authorities of the mainstream Church for generations will see Trump being chastised and unable to speak up to defend himself in that service.

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JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 00:40

@legalimmigrant

Tough shit, they created the situation where a vast majority of Americans preferred Trump. They can suck it up now, they're only -.3% so it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, does it?

You really think that the "vast majority" of US voters preferred Trump because of transsexuals? So, no thought for:

  • the border
  • wars
  • globalism
  • just having Democrats out
  • cost of living
  • healthcare
  • ....

Just transsexuals?

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AliceNutterWasAWoman · 24/01/2025 00:38

izimbra · 24/01/2025 00:33

So just to be clear - the plea to show mercy and compassion to frightened transgender individuals that this thread OP was about - you're in support of that?

Because so am I.

I'm glad therapy has given you happiness and peace.

I know two parents who have supported their child's transition - their children are now transgender adults living decent lives. I'm going to guess you think these parents are probably misguided, or maybe stupid. Or maybe evil? And you believe you have a better understanding and knowledge of their child's experience than they do or than their child does. You feel your own experience in therapy gives you the authority in this area?

Ok.

Do you spend a lot of time in online anti-trans groups accusing people like me of supporting child abuse?

I think you should be quoting Hoardasurass here?