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Horrifying Republican response to Bishop's sermon

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JessaWoo · 22/01/2025 03:20

These are tweets from Matt Walsh on X about Bishop Marian Budde and her sermon earlier today in Washington, attacking her womanhood and ability in a sexist and ageist tirade. It seems the clarion call has gone out to the rest of the Trump X minions, as they are all tweeting the same sentiments - including Kellie-Jay Keen and Donald Trump Jnr. Rep. Mike Collins całłed for her deportation, although she is American. Do you still support Trump after this?

“A liberal woman over the age of 50 with a lesbian haircut is guaranteed to support the most evil ideas and policies that mankind has ever conceived.”

“Just take one look at this witch and you know everything you need to know about her, even before she starts talking.”

“Of course this grotesque display is coming from a female “priest.” You will only ever hear heresy and inanity from someone whose whole existence is blasphemous.”

And another tweet from Bo Loudon: “🚨BREAKING: A bishop at the National Cathedrol just urged President Trump to protect transgender children and not deport illegal aliens because "they're not criminals."

Pure class from President Trump as he sat through this despicable politicization of the prayer service.”

Speech text:
““In the Name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now,” Budde stated. “There are gay, lesbian, and transgender children in Democratic, Republican and independent families. Some who fear for their lives.

”The people who pick our crops and clean our office buildings, who labor in poultry farms and meat-packing plants, who wash the dishes after we eat in restaurants and work the night shifts in hospitals. They may not be citizens, or have the proper documentation, but the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals.”

Budde asked Trump “to have mercy” on people “in our communities whose children fear that their parents will be taken away and that you help those who are fleeing warzones and persecution in their own lands to find compassion and welcome here.

“Our God teaches us that we are to be merciful to the stranger, for we were all once strangers in this land,” she continued. “May God grant us the strength and courage to honor the dignity of every human being, to speak the truth to one another in love, and walk humbly with each other and our God.”

Earlier in her message, Budde stressed the importance of unity, of respectfully disagreeing with one another, but also expressed concern over what she called “the culture of contempt” and feared “the loss of equality” for some who lose in political debates.

What a horrible, divisive message this is! 🙄 Personally, I think Budde's message is courageous and beautiful, and clearly deeply Christian at its core.

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AliceNutterWasAWoman · 24/01/2025 11:54

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/01/2025 11:50

Huh?Confused

Hnff

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 24/01/2025 11:52

JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 11:30

Excuse me?

You are excused

Grammarnut · 24/01/2025 11:51

izimbra · 24/01/2025 00:33

So just to be clear - the plea to show mercy and compassion to frightened transgender individuals that this thread OP was about - you're in support of that?

Because so am I.

I'm glad therapy has given you happiness and peace.

I know two parents who have supported their child's transition - their children are now transgender adults living decent lives. I'm going to guess you think these parents are probably misguided, or maybe stupid. Or maybe evil? And you believe you have a better understanding and knowledge of their child's experience than they do or than their child does. You feel your own experience in therapy gives you the authority in this area?

Ok.

Do you spend a lot of time in online anti-trans groups accusing people like me of supporting child abuse?

Castrating DC and making them infertile and sexually dysfunctional is child abuse.

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/01/2025 11:50

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 24/01/2025 09:06

"You've let me down, you've let yourself down and you've let MN FWR down" 😳

Huh?Confused

Hoardasurass · 24/01/2025 11:47

JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 09:48

Many, if not most, active posters on this board have supported Trump - for his election, and particularly the EO just released.

Have you never heard the terms " The enemy of my enemy is my friend" or "the lesser of two evils"?
Very few posters here agree with anything that Trump does apart from this 1 EO that define women and men, male and female as biological reality.
It's entirely possible for people to agree on 1 thing whilst disagreeing on everything else, you do understand that don't you @JessaWoo

Helleofabore · 24/01/2025 11:43

JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 11:36

@Helleofabore

Would you like to clarify then what you consider to be ‘support’ for Trump vs support for his action in approving the EO if I have misinterpreted what you mean? Because I have seen others ask for clarification too so obviously we are still not quite understanding your position.

I've already spent enough time doing that, and I apologise if I haven't been clear enough for you. If I write another post, you'll just attack me and I don't have the energy for it. Like I said, you do you.

So this:

"Many, if not most, active posters on this board have supported Trump - for his election, and particularly the EO just released."

is just you making an uninformed opinion then. Just 'you doing you', as usual mischaracterising the general opinion of Trump on this board based on your own biased opinion of this board.

JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 11:36

@Helleofabore

Would you like to clarify then what you consider to be ‘support’ for Trump vs support for his action in approving the EO if I have misinterpreted what you mean? Because I have seen others ask for clarification too so obviously we are still not quite understanding your position.

I've already spent enough time doing that, and I apologise if I haven't been clear enough for you. If I write another post, you'll just attack me and I don't have the energy for it. Like I said, you do you.

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JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 11:30

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 24/01/2025 11:25

Idealogues contract out their thinking to the ideology. @JessaWoo appears to have subscribed to a liberal progressive or maybe a more left-wing ideology and is unable to step out of that framework and think independently. So if someone approves of something Trump has done, s/he assumes they too must have contracted out all their thinking to the Trump ideology (whatever that is!)

Excuse me?

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JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 11:29

@NotBadConsidering

I know what you think it means. You think that anyone agreeing with anyone on one thing means you worship the ground they walk on. Despite multiple threads and multiple posts on this thread pointing out the falsity of your belief, you insist upon it anyway. Like I said, it’s very trite.

Well, no, that's not what I think at all. 🙄 Opinions and views are somewhat more nuanced than that, and I'm quite aware that agreement on one thing does not mean agreement with an entire platform.

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AliceNutterWasAWoman · 24/01/2025 11:25

Idealogues contract out their thinking to the ideology. @JessaWoo appears to have subscribed to a liberal progressive or maybe a more left-wing ideology and is unable to step out of that framework and think independently. So if someone approves of something Trump has done, s/he assumes they too must have contracted out all their thinking to the Trump ideology (whatever that is!)

Helleofabore · 24/01/2025 11:16

JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 11:08

@Helleofabore

I would consider someone condemning others for approving of one action, that of simply approving a body of work done by feminists and signing off on that EO, while not declaring to support Trump in most other aspects, to be tribal thinking.

That's certainly a way of putting it, I guess. You do you.

Would you like to clarify then what you consider to be ‘support’ for Trump vs support for his action in approving the EO if I have misinterpreted what you mean? Because I have seen others ask for clarification too so obviously we are still not quite understanding your position.

NotBadConsidering · 24/01/2025 11:14

JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 11:05

You know what it means.

I know what you think it means. You think that anyone agreeing with anyone on one thing means you worship the ground they walk on. Despite multiple threads and multiple posts on this thread pointing out the falsity of your belief, you insist upon it anyway. Like I said, it’s very trite.

JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 11:08

@Helleofabore

I would consider someone condemning others for approving of one action, that of simply approving a body of work done by feminists and signing off on that EO, while not declaring to support Trump in most other aspects, to be tribal thinking.

That's certainly a way of putting it, I guess. You do you.

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Helleofabore · 24/01/2025 11:06

JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 11:01

@legalimmigrant

I don't agree with him on other issues. But what we're mostly discussing here is sex and gender (see the name of the board) so of course we're going to agree with his common sense approach to protecting women's rights and child safeguarding on this one.

Hmm. It's his cynical, populist use of women and children's safeguarding in this sense to his own ends that bothers me.

Sure. It bothers many of us.

It should not stop someone being able to approve of one thing that he did, in fact, that he simply approved of but others produced without being mischaracterised as being something they are not. And by ‘something they are not’, I mean being generalised as a ‘Trump supporter’. Approval of one action of a politician who is supposed to support creation of policies that improve the lives of those the policies impact is not a controversial act.

JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 11:05

NotBadConsidering · 24/01/2025 10:08

I asked the OP on the 2nd page what was meant by “you” and “support Trump” and there was never an answer.

It’s just your run-of-the-mill “you’re all in league with the devil” scolding thread with a smattering of the usual ignoring hard questions about degree of harm from posters like izimbra thrown in. It’s all rather trite.

You know what it means.

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JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 11:04

@OldCrone

So you just wanted a political discussion about Trump and Farage? Did you mean to post your thread on the politics board?

You could ask for your thread to be moved to the correct board. Or you could just join the discussion about the bishop's sermon on the existing thread there.

Just because I mentioned Farage? Thanks, but no.

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JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 11:01

@legalimmigrant

I don't agree with him on other issues. But what we're mostly discussing here is sex and gender (see the name of the board) so of course we're going to agree with his common sense approach to protecting women's rights and child safeguarding on this one.

Hmm. It's his cynical, populist use of women and children's safeguarding in this sense to his own ends that bothers me.

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TempestTost · 24/01/2025 10:54

JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 09:48

Many, if not most, active posters on this board have supported Trump - for his election, and particularly the EO just released.

I mean, the other possibility would have been Harris, and we wouldn't have seen any of this stuff. It would still be men in women's spaces, it would still be trans children, and it would still be discriminatory hiring practices in the name of equality.

Do I think Harris would do something amazing about any other issue, like the economy? Not really, no. The Democrats are pretty much globalists these days. The Republicans are all over the place, but some seem to be asking the right questions. So the economy would hardly make me likely to support Harris instead.

I'm pragmatic about politics for the most part. Neither Trump nor Harris impacts my sense of identity nor do people like that inform my beliefs and values.

Helleofabore · 24/01/2025 10:38

JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 09:48

Many, if not most, active posters on this board have supported Trump - for his election, and particularly the EO just released.

Isn’t this guilt by approval for one specific initiative?

I would consider someone condemning others for approving of one action, that of simply approving a body of work done by feminists and signing off on that EO, while not declaring to support Trump in most other aspects, to be tribal thinking.

TempestTost · 24/01/2025 10:33

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/01/2025 02:48

Right. The reason black mothers face poorer maternity care and outcomes is because of racism against white people? The reason for the pay gap between sexes is because women just aren't as good as men?

Who do you think is being discriminated against @TempestTost?

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Tose are some impressive leaps.

Look, you've been on threads many times where the kinds of racist policies DEI people support and encourage are discussed.

You always "forget" about them immediately. So I'm not inclined to try and explain them to you yet again, I don't think you post in good faith.

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 24/01/2025 10:13

NotBadConsidering · 24/01/2025 10:08

I asked the OP on the 2nd page what was meant by “you” and “support Trump” and there was never an answer.

It’s just your run-of-the-mill “you’re all in league with the devil” scolding thread with a smattering of the usual ignoring hard questions about degree of harm from posters like izimbra thrown in. It’s all rather trite.

Amen to that🙏

NotBadConsidering · 24/01/2025 10:08

I asked the OP on the 2nd page what was meant by “you” and “support Trump” and there was never an answer.

It’s just your run-of-the-mill “you’re all in league with the devil” scolding thread with a smattering of the usual ignoring hard questions about degree of harm from posters like izimbra thrown in. It’s all rather trite.

Mmmnotsure · 24/01/2025 10:00

Many, if not most, active posters on this board have supported Trump - for his election, and particularly the EO just released.

My bold.

@JessaWoo Put simply, agreeing with a politician on one issue is not the same as supporting that politician. Perhaps look at the politics board, as @OldCrone suggests. People there might be able to help you and explain things.

OldCrone · 24/01/2025 09:52

JessaWoo · 24/01/2025 09:45

Why would I them responsible for US politics? No, but I do question some opinions - as this is a discussion forum. Additionally, as Farage appears to want to duplicate Trumpism in the UK, with Elon Musk's support - maybe you've seen the enthusiastic MEGA (Make Europe Great Again) tweets - it isn't so odd to be talking about it.

So you just wanted a political discussion about Trump and Farage? Did you mean to post your thread on the politics board?
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You could ask for your thread to be moved to the correct board. Or you could just join the discussion about the bishop's sermon on the existing thread there.
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legalimmigrant · 24/01/2025 09:52

I agree with Trump on issues like 'sex is real and men shouldn't be in unconsenting women and children's spaces' i.e. sheer common sense agreed with by the vast majority of humanity.

I don't agree with him on other issues. But what we're mostly discussing here is sex and gender (see the name of the board) so of course we're going to agree with his common sense approach to protecting women's rights and child safeguarding on this one.