I think the spell is finally broken...

Championing a thing that someone has done is not the same as championing them.

I detest Trump, but this roll-back of trans rights to the detriment of women's rights is a good thing.

Shame the Democrats couldn't see it.

it is not championing Trump to say “on this one, well done”
When ppl do sth good, you have to give them credit, it’s called fairness and intellectual honesty, you should try.

Donald Trump is a sexist, grab them by the pu**y rapist, and a lot of other horrible, illegal things but he got elected democratically by a clear majority and this EA is a good thing.

These are the facts, they’re not neat the way of fairytales but that’s life for you.

Musk's child has disowned him because of Musk's beliefs? So heresy against the child's religion?

I'm in the US. I think those of you 'celebrating' need to realize that these same people who believe "Male and female created He them" also feel that abortion is a sin and should be banned with no exceptions and criminalized, no one (including women) should be protected from discrimination or have equal rights, and that since a woman's primary role should be in the home there is no need for laws protecting family or maternity leave. Because men don't need those things, women shouldn't have them either. And that removing such protections will 'encourage' trap women in certain social strata in their homes. Women of wealth or who have wealthy husbands will either not need these protections or will (as in the past) be able to circumvent them. But women of low or modest income, and indeed middle class (by US standards, not UK) women are going to suffer if Trump's MAGA agenda comes true. Take a look at Project 2025 and then say a hearty welcome to Gilead.

Trans is all about forcing gender non-conforming people into binary sex categories.

If you are a boy who likes playing with dolls and wearing dresses? Oooh you must really be a girl. (Rather than a gender non-conforming boy).
If you are a girl who likes short hair, climbing trees and maths? Oooh you must really be a boy. (Rather than a gender non-conforming girl).
It is regressive nonsense, and I feel that the strong sex-stereotypes we see in USA culture (Barbie, GI Joe and all of Hollywood output) is responsible for a lot of damage in this regard.
We should be way more accepting of gender non-conformity in everyone without feeling the need to try and change a person’s sexed body to make them fit in better with narrow gendered roles.

Except that's not what's happening here, is it?
Would you rather women just shut up and didn't discuss the pros and cons of this on an open forum?

Women falling over themselves to applaud a rapist. Embarrassing.

Musk also believes in surrogacy which is also where extreme trans rights ideology wants women used.

It's important to remember that right wing gender stereotypes and left wing gender stereotypes are too sides of the same coin. Neither liberates women.

What would like to continue?

Men in women’s sports and prisons?

Bravo x10!

What do you understand 'gender critical feminism to be?

I get that. We do pick and choose what we like, I happen to agree with the op on this one but would not agree if gay marriage etc was prohibited. However I don't think he'd get away with that so am cautiously optimistic as far as this goes.

It is but one issue amongst many. Trump is so wrong about others. I'm not American though, a lot of people in the States are passionate about him, think he's marvellous. A cult-like fanaticism surrounds the man.

We British are different.

Well you've already said that you'd prefer the EO didn't happen, @cassandre, so presumably you're OK with the Lia Thomas's of this world carrying on doing their thing, taking women's places in sports, imposing themselves on women in changing rooms, etc etc? Are you saying that injustices should continue until such time as The Right Kind Of Person comes along to correct them?

I agree. As terf as I am this kind of conservatism is in the same stable as abortion and gay marriage bans and that may be next…

Bowie? 🤔

But I jumped in for once, because I find it so depressing that 'gender-critical' feminists are championing Trump and his politics of hate.

Seen a member of the Royal Family doing it. Seen David Bowie doing it. Not going to have a fit of the vapours because narcissistic prick Musk may have done it.

You're assuming I'm ignorant about 'gender critical' feminism. I'm not. I've read widely and I disagree with gender critical feminism. However, MN isn't the place to hash out different points of view on this topic, as the feminist threads are mostly an echo chamber.

Whilst I agree trans debate went too far I as a woman felt bullied.

however talking of the Nazis you must seen Musk doing a nazi salute!

Thank you. I thought rightly that it was written by a woman.

Forcing people to have operations in order to make them fit into one of two binary categories is emphatically NOT being pro-trans. 🙄

Nobody is saying they are saviours!

You can guarantee President Musk is behind this! He has a trans daughter who has disowned him because of his trans beliefs! Musk and Trump are not savours they are the most vile of people!

They're not a piece with that.

I'm a bisexual woman and I applaud this so much. It's AMAZING.

I agree. Very short-sighted to celebrate this. It goes hand in hand with oppression of women, which we have already seen in the anti-abortion laws.