I think the spell is finally broken...

Do you think May Mailman is going to allow that to happen?

No I wouldn’t wish women would just shut up but I wouldn’t be too quick to congratulate this legislation, like some people are on here. Donald couldn’t give a toss about women’s rights.

If Trump suddenly came out in support of climate change mitigation policies, climate scientists would not be saying "this is bad for the planet".

Trump is obviously odious and not to be relied on to protect, support and champion women's rights, but this, specifically, is a very important win.

It's convinced many people that they are idiots, for sure.

And a fair number now think they are not in good faith, that they have some kind of nefarious agenda.

"I don't like Trump, I don't like Trump". OK, we get it, but again what has this got to do with this particular policy?

I will phrase this another way.

"If this was a Biden policy, would you have any issue with it?"

And who else are you expecting to change much?

Which politicians?

^^this!!

Conservatives in the US are extremely concerned about the effects gender ideology has had on kids. Why wouldn't they be?

As far as this idea that they want to return women to "conservative gender roles." You mean like Trump's Chief of Staff, or Vance's wife? Or women like Condoleeza Rice, or even Megan Kelley, or all the other conservative women in business and politics, are all trying to get women just back to traditional gender roles?

What exactly do you think counts as a conservative gender role? Because it seems to be voting, having opinions, writing, having jobs in all kinds of sectors, and being leaders in politics.

I think the fact that Nazis were able to no just cross dress, but to take photos of themselves doing it means that they weren't concerned with Hitler's reaction. You can't say that cross dressing is not the same as being trans as trans is simply a feeling in your head and can be totally unrelated to how you choose to present to the world. A transwoman with a full beard wearing mens clothes is no less trans than one who goes out of his way to look as feminine as possible.

😂Way to tell us you haven't read the thread 😂

GC ideology is now so right wing that you support pussy grabbing Trump and nazi saluting Musk. Shame.

Playing a political game, doing some profitable deals, staying out of jail, playing a lot of golf.

He obviously has advisors who are telling him what people care about, and this was one - Nancy Mace's popularity won't have gone un-noticed. I'll be surprised if the cost of living doesn't drop sharply soon. I'll also be interested to see what the perception of him as a strong leader does on the wider world stage The perception of Biden as weak was not good for women worldwide.

I agree it's depressing it's Trump who's so clearly restoring women's rights to our own sport, to be free from men flashing in places where women and girls undress and who's the leader determined to stop the dangerous experimental sex change drugs and surgery being used on children and young people.

I'd have liked to have heard Starmer stand up for the rights of girls and women not to encounter indecent exposure or voyeurism in women's changing rooms. I'd have been thrilled to hear the new labour minister for education join up the safeguarding dots and insist that schools MUST respect the Cass Review's concerns about unqualified adults experimenting on other people's children by socially transitioning them in secret from parents.

Sadly to date they've been silent (except for Wes Streeting who has evidently read Cass in detail) leaving just the echo of Starmer's "don't say only women have a cervix" echoing in the space where responsible adults should be safeguarding children from extreme transactivism.

Maybe one day labour will start to safeguard children rather than dance to demands of transacvtivism? We're waiting.

In what way.... there are no shortage of of christian-style groups who would like to do away with rights for so many minority groups.

Now they've disposed of the trans types who are they going to focus on next (apart from immigrants).

So it was better when women couldn't even talk about the issue, when Twitter killed our accounts and Reddit removed our subs, when men were saying words to access women in prison and were raping / assaulting them.

All those things were better, were they?

TDS: 2025 edition is howling at the moon levels of mad.

Would you say the same if he abolished gay marriage, brought in gay military bans, banned IVF, etc etc? They're of a piece with this
How on earth are this things “of a piece” with this?!

I don’t think many of us here have any illusions about Trump. He’s anti-feminist and has no respect for women.

But as a conservative, he doesn’t believe the genderism nonsense. Why would he, or any conservative? It’s a luxury belief, held by people who want to appear ‘progressive’ without the effort of doing anything that’s actually progressive.

Trump doesn’t feel any need to please small minorities or special-interest groups that he’s not interested in and that aren’t popular. So he has no reason at all to conciliate the genderists.

That is a huge relief to me and anyone concerned about the loss of women’s long-held rights. It doesn’t mean we support anything else he does.

Let's not forget who has been Obamas backer this while time, namely The Pritzkers.

I just do not think that Trump is a good ally for women’s rights, considering he’s a right wing misogynist who could not care less about women. He’s a narcissist, it’s all about playing a political game to him and coming out on top.

I haven't read any trans-exclusionary feminists on here. Lots of men-exclusionary feminists, but strong support for seeing feminist protections in place for transmen aka women. Particularly very young ones who may have been misled about the grave, long term, irreversible, physical damage that can be done by hormones or by surgery.

This is what worries me. I think there may be a backlash given that this is Trump's doing.

@Plastictrees who are you looking to to strengthen that position?

Which politician/s?

Does it "weaken our position"? I think it weakens the Democrats position, they got the US into this fucking mess in the first place.

I agree and I think Trump championing this weakens our position. As we all know he could not care less about women.

I didn't say they don't care about kids.

I am saying they don't object to transgenderism out of a concern for kids and women. They do object to it, because they want strict gender roles based on sex.