I think the spell is finally broken...

But isn't that's what a politician should be doing - what the people who voted for him want?

It doesn’t help having a racist, misogynistic troglodyte pseudo champion the cause either - that is my point, so find someone else to attempt to argue with.

This is the most ridiculous and patronising thing I've read today. And I've been on X!

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/defending-women-from-gender-ideology-extremism-and-restoring-biological-truth-to-the-federal-government/

I keep reading this ❤️

Not RTFT, so apologies if this was answered already, but the EO was written by May Mailman.

https://x.com/womenreadwomen/status/1881715930629370209

More on her:

https://www.iwf.org/people/may-mailman-2/

She represented the sorority who tried to have the man removed from their house:

https://x.com/womenreadwomen/status/1881715930629370209

I doubt he cares one way or the other about trans people. He cares about winning.

He's doing it because he said he would, and he said he would because it meant he could score easy points against the Democrats and because it's what his support base want and they will laud and celebrate him for it.

The man you see saying these things and caring about them is not Trump himself, it's the persona he created to appeal to the voters who started to support him and has evolved over time in response to their priorities and the message they want to hear. He is just doing this because it is what his character would do. And that's more terrifying than if he actually cared and believed this stuff because there is no limit, no moral framework that can come from inside, he will just keep on fulfilling the demand.

I'm not entirely sure there even is a real Trump in there as a fully formed personality, just a screaming aching black hole of pain and shame driving him to cling to anyone who shows him approval and to attack pitilessly anyone who shows him less than total respect.

Yes. It'll be interesting to see how this pans out given the extent of harm that's happening to young people - especially young women - in the US. But the men running the organisations / health services etc have been given uncritical power for many years and removing them will be a challenge.
Which is why it's so refreshing to see Trump address the issue of the harm to children and the young so openly. We're so used to having to tip toe around apologetically as we try to insist on children's safety. Long overdue for that to change.

It's funny how we told that all these conservatives don't really want to kick gender ideology out of schools and their kids' lives, it's something else, it's due to a much more nefarious agenda.

But when KJK was over in the states talking to all these conservative people who want to kick gender ideology out of schools and their kids' lives, that was also wrong and due to her much more nefarious agenda.

But what's really weird is everybody knows it's a completely bat shit ideology, and almost everyone wants to kick it out of schools and their kids' lives.

No one wants it, but if you say so, there's something wrong with you.

‘Two genders’ is not the same as two sexes

Good job the EO is clear on this then

I find this absolutely sickening. Just a helpless feeling that it opens the door to persecution, bullying and suicides. It’s controlling, it’s backward, it smacks of creationism, book banning and hate. I’ve a helpless feeling that it’s just the start of playing out conspiracy theory driven agenda and with the media tied in as well it might be unstoppable. Happy Tuesday everyone!

‘Two genders’ is not the same as two sexes, and in fact is a really worrying statement because it suggests that concepts of sex are secondary to understandings of gender performance which will compel women into traditionally feminine roles and erode our rights. The reversal of Roe vs Wade tells you everything you need to know about what this president put in place during his last administration and how far women’s rights were anywhere in those concerns. Remember Brett Kavanaugh‘s crocodile tears? There’s no way this is a progressive order, from which women will be protected. Don’t be ridiculous, these people do not care about women.

I’m not ‘expecting’ anything, so you can stop with your repetitive questions.

What's with the aggro?

It's just a question. You clearly don't want Trump to do this and state you want to move forward. So is there anyone you think will do it

Clearly not given your response. That's the problem for women and waiting

There's no one else ready to change the situation and waiting doesn't help does it?

@MrsOvertonsWindow I'm hoping it's just enraged howling. I'm sure the new government will be expecting and prepared for any litigation.

I might try to find the programme when I am home

If I feel strong enough!

That's rich, coming from someone who walks around with a blindfold on and refused to look at what these conservatives have already done and what they are outright saying they will do. Each day brings evidence of their past actions and their agenda and you refuse to see it, while accusing me of ignoring the evidence.

I think that is too black and white. There is a spectrum of opinion on this. There are progressive conservatives like Daniel Finkelstein, who is very sympathetic in many ways to trans rights. I think liberal conservatives would be very minded to let people live their lives sexually as they want to, if it doesn't impinge on other people's rights. And there is a spectrum of opinion on the left as well.

Genderism

So very very left wing with its focus on individual identity; rejection of socialist class analysis; and mission to line the pockets of the pharmaceutical industry.

A neo religion which champions the thoughts of post modernist academics whilst dismissing the concerns of the people whose material reality is actually affected by their luxury beliefs.

It's tough here on Mumsnet isn't it? Women are actually allowed to discuss shit and form their own opinions! So much easier to misogynist IRL or on other online platforms.

Trump is a reality check for all those who thought they could deny reality.

I’m not ‘expecting’ anything, so you can stop with your repetitive questions.

He's not doing this because he respects women or that he believes in feminism. He's doing it because he hates trans people.

Probably thinks they want to touch him or something ridiculous.

Does this particular barrister has much of a track record of accuracy or success in this field? They have a personal investment in all this which appears to cloud their judgement to the extent that they crashed into a thread on here where where a rape survivor was discussing her upcoming court case. The fact they are apparently acting for the organisation that's removed this women's rights didn't stop them posting.
Unbelievably crass.

This is a very poor argument.

As indeed are all arguments that basically go something like 'don't look at the evidence in front of you, at someone's actions, believe what I'm telling you about their well hidden secret inner motivations'.

We've all had enough of that - we'll make up our own minds.

I am smooth brained and I have not been following politics or anything for a while because life is tough, but here is my take.
It doesn't matter who is saying it, just that it is being said and that gives people a chance to speak about women and children and their rights. It's mental that for so long we haven't been able to state the truth that there are only 2 sexes, but now maybe just maybe more people will be inclined to speak the truth.

It's basically any woman trying to pull the ladder up behind them so no others can follow. Like Amy Coney Barret. She'll never need an abortion, as she will always have enough money and power to travel elsewhere to get one if her life is in danger due to a pregnancy. This means she pushed other women, who do not have these resources, under the bus.

Anti-abortion women, and those who believe women should be in the home, have no problems being hypocrites about it. They'll campaign, they'll work, while shouting from the rooftops that they believe women, in general, shouldn't have that right. They are just "special" so they should be exempt.

We know that, but he's given women who do care about women's rights what they've been asking for for several years. So we'll take that with a thank-you and play him: we'll use him for what we can get out of him and we'll lead the opposition when he doesn't. You don't get anywhere by not being involved. You shake hands with people you'd really rather not touch and then you take them for everything useful you can get out of them.

I just caught the last couple of minutes of a GBN programme with RMW being interviewed. Described as a Discrimination Lawyer, I believe. Did anyone catch it that could clarify? I think the gist was that Trump wouldn't be able to get this through?