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Friend wants top surgery

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Jigglypufff · 13/01/2025 12:39

One of my closest friends is saying they are non binary and has changed their name. I have gone along the route of not making it a big deal, like "ah that's nice pal, which film shall we go to see this weekend."
I don't know if this is the right tactic. I have been vocal about the fact that I don't understand why we would be boxing gender into stereo types- ie. Makeup and high heels does not a woman make. You can wear masculine looking clothes and still be a woman. Etc.

They now are saving for top surgery. Should I just keep with my current tactic? Im worried about side effects? They aren't on any hormones.

I just feel a bit like it's getting away from them, the name change etc has been very quick after announcing they are non binary.

I'm also a bit sad if I have the right to feel that.

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 13/01/2025 14:02

Can you talk to her more about why she wants this done?

I'm pretty sure the number of male non binary people who have had their penises removed is zero.

PokerFriedDips · 13/01/2025 13:43

Whilst it's true that a double mastectomy will not stop your friend from being a woman, no one needs your permission or approval to believe what they want or to have any legal elective surgery they wish to on their body provided they have mental capacity.

If you value the friendship then be a friend. You aren't being asked to recite a creed that you believe this person has achieved some kind of metaphysical status of not being a woman through this surgery. You don't need to announce your lack of belief.

rubyslippers · 13/01/2025 13:37

I don’t like the euphemistic term top surgery
its a mastectomy and really quite radical surgery

I would be honest - removing her breasts doesn’t mean she’s not a woman

I don’t understand what non-binary really means - what does your friend think it is and why does removing her breasts help with this?

be prepared to lose the friendship tho

Moreinheavenandearth · 13/01/2025 13:35

I think you should be honest, I would hope my friends would be honest with be